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A simple question of how big of a rock does it take to break a ship? So defensive you've erased it. I'm not even trying to win this argument, just finding a lower threshold that a fireskip could be damaged, because energy weapons arent doing it for the feds. Just thought someone had figured it out b...

Big not huge. http://www.telcom.es/~jcastjr/starwars/hoth.jpg But large enough in scale to be within an order of magnatude of an X-wing gun. And by rights an X-wing should bring about 200Gigatons as per one of the guys here. But this thing isnt even in the close to the KT range. Oh.....my.....God. ...

AT-AT's have repulsers so they can't "fall" into a hole they only walk to avoid lethal shield interaction. In TESB you see evidence of what maybe shielding (it at least looks like it) on the AT-AT itself perhaps due to Vader commanding these were special versions or maybe all have shieldi...

Tempest: Correct me if i'm wrong but i think what you're saying that the sheilds of the Hoth base were so powerful, and by extention most SW planetary shields, that defense guns would be largely ancillary because little could punch through the shield. So the idea, i think, is why spend money on a p...

You blathering idiot... The guns are powerful compared to other Sci Fi series. The reason their so underpowered or appeared to be is because their technological equivilant. Its like trying to kill a elephant with a short sword. The guns were out of date because the GALATIC Empire has total control ...

Perhaps because they were travelling light and trying to keep a low profile; or maybe you missed the fact this was a secret hideout? Or perhaps its the fact that Echo base was in part directly under the battlefield, a point the troll has not yet addressed. That aside, I don't even know what he's ar...

Big not huge. http://www.telcom.es/~jcastjr/starwars/hoth.jpg But large enough in scale to be within an order of magnatude of an X-wing gun. And by rights an X-wing should bring about 200Gigatons as per one of the guys here. But this thing isnt even in the close to the KT range.. Hey, retard: in ca...

Ok maybe I'm a bit size centric here, but the Big guns on HOTH, WTF? What sorta retard defends a base with weapons that are so beyond inadequate when you have the full blown guns right there. Heck you could have some little POS ship with a dinky gun go and trash the AT-AT's.. I'm not talking the fr...

Hey, tempest: nice to see you ignoring my points, jackass. ok, I'm not saying that the important planets dont need guns, or well funded planets. But if you have some backwater underfunded planet with jweak or no shields the likelyhood of having a fully manned anti ship weapon are exceedingly small....

Ok maybe I'm a bit size centric here, but the Big guns on HOTH, WTF? What sorta retard defends a base with weapons that are so beyond inadequate when you have the full blown guns right there. Heck you could have some little POS ship with a dinky gun go and trash the AT-AT's.. I'm not talking the fri...

Surlethe wrote:

tempest wrote:

Surlethe wrote:Hey, tempest: nice to see you ignoring my points, jackass.

um yea, I wrote a reply to someone else and got a pop.. it's been like 40ish minutes.

So address my points, then, you evasive little shit.

patience danielsan...

Hey, tempest: nice to see you ignoring my points, jackass. ok, I'm not saying that the important planets dont need guns, or well funded planets. But if you have some backwater underfunded planet with jweak or no shields the likelyhood of having a fully manned anti ship weapon are exceedingly small....

Surlethe wrote:Hey, tempest: nice to see you ignoring my points, jackass.

um yea, I wrote a reply to someone else and got a pop.. it's been like 40ish minutes.

I don't get this. This thread - like others - has devolved into an incredibly unlikely scenario which will probably result in the extermination of all Federation citizens in hours after the attack. Is this winning? When suicidal fanwhores attack, I always wonder if they're really the sort of people...

Really, and I thought that banks had safes. shows what I know. Are you honestly stupid enough to think that was a comeback of any worth? Address my point, don't bandy about sematics. Semantics? WTF, a lockbox and a safe arent even the same thing. one is a cheap metal box that keeps your kids and sp...

So what I'm saying is that a person who wants to save their valuables may buy a steel lockbox, or upgrade to a safe, or upgrade to a safe with armed guards, but wont upgrade to a steel box with armed guards, because its just stupid. So if you have a nice prybar to deal with a steel box, you probabl...

The only ground space gun they had was an Ion Cannon (sensible choice) which would be useless vs a rock. Nobody is expecting an asteroid drop, so nobody would bother preparing for it. they just clean out the dangerous ones in system, probably a low paying job in the SW universe. So the point is tha...

That is a sweet applett. I am just having a tough time resolving it with the firepower level seen at the battle of Hoth. Clearly the rebels had some serious firepower at their disposal, but they are making small craters in the ICE. If their ground based cannons are running at remotly that kind of p...

That is a sweet applett. I am just having a tough time resolving it with the firepower level seen at the battle of Hoth. Clearly the rebels had some serious firepower at their disposal, but they are making small craters in the ICE. If their ground based cannons are running at remotly that kind of p...

Of course I am totally up for having someome throw some math in my face to show me that the cannons can both vaporize a large asteroid, and blast a signifigant amount of the rock debris in a different direction. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Asteroids.html Let's assume the asteroid is...

Lord Revan wrote:the Empire has about million "member" systems (probably those with senators), but millions if not billions of colonies of various sizes.

Thanks, on point confirmed...

Also seeing as the rebels could pilfer a large defense cannon rather easily for their Hoth instilation, i dont see what defense lasers wouldnt be present to blast these things out of the sky. They're just asteroids, surely as widespread as the Empire is they encounter falling asteroids all the time...

Gotta love Trekkies with their idiot thinking. I'd love to see this mentality applied to Iraq against the United States: "well, the Iraqis could load up a hundred suicide bomb trucks and ram them into the White House!" Get it through your head, moron: they have no means of traversing the ...

Obviously. I'm just noting that, aside from whatever planets may be near the wormhole opening, the Feds probably wouldn't be able to reach any signifcant worlds for months or years, due to the spread out nature of the Empire due to hyperdrive. They do have millions of inhabited worlds, the signifig...

The Federation is going to expend a Phase Cloak AND a Warp Drive AND all the computer resources for this little show of "Stick it to the Empire!!!!" How they would even get to an Imperial-held world of any consequence is beyond me. I kinda assumed that there was some happy cluster of worm...