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Well, having some faith in a higher power can give people lots of hope. Here's how I see this issue. Even if God is nonexistent, as long as believing in God gives some people hope, then religion is a very good thing. Many people's religious beliefs it made their lives much better.

I would define racism simply as treating somebody in some sort of negative way, as well not respecting their human rights, solely based upon somebody's ethnic backgrounds.

Where it gets confusing is Attack of the Clones where the Senate is voting on creating a military. It seems like the Republic having a military prior contradicts the whole political plot of the movie. The Senate voted on creating an army in AOTC, not on creating military. They already had a militar...

You do know that statement is useless like nobody's business. There's been plenty of administrational fleets in the real world that had exactly zero actual ships attached to it. I typed in "star wars republic fleet" in google, and it was an actual part of the Republic's military force. Th...

All the Clones in TCW displayed an abundance of free will, up to one of them actually deserting (for the I'm sorry, did anybody keep count?) time. And what, exactly, is your evidence that 'follow order 66' was genetically programmed into them? I had the wrong information. As Stark informed me befor...

I forgot where, but I remember reading somewhere that the Republic had a fleet, as a part of their military. So, it's possible that the galaxy was more militarized than we thought, prior to the Clone Wars.

Flash learning is a relatively real thing; what we see is the kids being presented with heaps of information and being trained to retain it. Like full retention it doesn't necessarily mean that they actually know they know it. I used flash learning to increase my mandarin vocabulary, but it still t...

Just an aside, has any source in the EU ever explained exactly how "flash learning" works? Is it possible that the order was encoded with their regular training and the Clones were not fully cognizant of it until it was given? Because that's sort of the impression I got from the TCW clip....

The vast majority of person meets person lifeforms in Wars looked vaguely human too. Same size and width, same approximate number of limbs, distinguishable limbs and head and eyes. If anything at least on the 'species you might run into in a bar' level, I think Trek has the upper hand. Yoda, the Wo...

AOTC shows them being conditioned from birth, dumbass. When you've been conditioned from birth to obey leaders, and have no life that would be considered 'normal', I doesn't require a stretch of the imagination that the clones simply obeyed a legal order. I don't see the need for magic or SECRET PR...

Many of the ST aliens look basically like humans, but with one differing feature, but otherwise they look human. The Vulcans looked just like humans, but they had pointed ears. With the exception their strange looking foreheads, the Klingons looked human. The Bajorans looked human, except for their ...

Batman wrote:Still don't see the connection between Order 66 and AOTC?

I didn't say there was a connection. I just said that Order 66 explained how the Clones were given orders; meaning that my theory that Order 66 was implanted into the Clone's minds is false.

I don't see what AOTC has got to do with Order 66, regardless of whether they were genetically engineered/brainwashed into following it. The Order hadn't been given at the time. Stark told me that the Clones were given orders just like an ordinary soldier. He used AOTC an example of how the Clones ...

Dr. Who can still be an awesome show even without Matt Smith. They can get somebody else to play a Time Lord. While I think he's a good actor, the show can function with or without him.

How much free will they really have is an interesting question and these passages seem to suggest they have little. However there are accounts of Clones failing to comply with the order(the novel Dark Lord). However the clones in that story are commandos who had less genetic engineering over their ...

Dude, virtually every army punishes deserters. That has jack all to do with whether or not they were slaves, it merely means the were soldiers . What made them slaves was that they a) were born into it and b) at least to my knowledge had no way out of it other than desertion (feel free to correct m...

Is there any evidence of this? It looked like soldiers just obeyed legal orders from commanders to me. There's no evidence that the Clones knew what Order 66 meant, before Palpatine talked to them over the hologram, which triggered them to kill the Jedi. I'm not that computer savvy, but I know that...

Bzzt. Wrong. That's, at best, evidence they had no choice about following Order 66 (which was why I mentioned that particular one being hardwired if you had paid attention). There's a fuckton of evidence that they have minds on their own throughout TCW. They may have had no choice about following O...

Actually at least going by the Clone Wars cartoons, they had independence aplenty. Not only were they completely capable of deserting and going native, they have-shall we say creatively interpreted their orders? :D Plus, there's programming, and there's programming, and you don't want the Clones to...

Didn't the Kaminoan leader state that at least part of the genetic engineering that the clones were subjected to made them more obedient? And there is no doubt in my mind that the clones were slaves - they just weren't privvy to the necessary knowledge that they had any choice, and they were traine...

I don't think we can bring back an entire population of Wooly Mammoths, even if we can make a clone out of a frozen body. Suppose we clone a Wooly Mammoth, the best case scenario is that it'll reproduce with an elephant, and we'll end up with a sterile hybrid.

While it's pretty obvious that the Clones were slaves, what I find even more intriguing is how genetic engineering tampered with their free will, and how it had different effects on different clones. Were they just indoctrinated and brainwashed into obeying all orders, or were their genes were so al...

1. It's a difference in degree , not principle. One is highly sophisticated genetic engineering, the other is crude crossbreeding, but it's still genetic engineering. And I was just being nitpicky. 2. Draftees have, up until the draft hitting them, normal lives. Friends, going to school, spectacula...

Not all draftees had a way to get out of it. Yes, some of them did, but I don't think the Nazis or the Japanese gave their soldiers a way out of military service during WW2. Yet I wouldn't call that slavery. However, you made a pretty good point, Batman, at least the Americans during the Civil War a...

If you want to get nitpicky, a fuckton of humans are already genetically engineered. Every time a hetero copule decides to get together and have children, that's essentially selective breeding. Which is a crude method but still is genetic engineering. Now for your actual question :D their physical ...