Fun with MSPaint (Starship Design GIFs) GIANT-PIC HEAVY!

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-07 11:29am

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Sorry, I don't have AIM, ICQ or MSM installed right now, I got sick of all the shite I had to field all the time. I'll bombard you with mails if you like, but basically once a night I'll do an update of what I've done so far. Once we get the shape to a state you're happy with then the rest is all just detailing anyway. Don't worry about the cockpit right now, once I change the nose shape to a more F22 looking thing I'll cut a cockpit in and see how you like it. I'll lose the image map next time so you see it clean, without distraction, and that should clear things up a bit. Next picture update, 5 hours and counting...

Thanks. www.Trillian.cc is an all-in-one IM client with apparently some pretty powerful anti-spam protection that the major IM services it connects to seem to lack.

Anyways, I'll apparently still have Internet up till about Tuesday (the move date got pushed back to Wed. and Thu.), so we can work on this some more. I still wanna keep the small Firefox-ish chisel-point in the nose. I also got an idea for an optional gun-pod mount under the nose too. The landing gear'll be somewhat far back, but it shouldn't be too bad. I'm thinking it'll consist of spherical tires like on this old German Rocket Plane design, or it could simply be landing feet, since the ship has a repulsorlift system. I'm leaning more toward the sphere-tire system myself.

Totally OT, but who was the easiest person you ever modeled a ship for? Just wondering...

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-07 11:57am

Nah, I'll stick to e-mail and forums righ now, I tried Trillian ages ago and still had to talk to retards.

There's a wide, slightly raised line under the nose, similar in width to the top flattened area running over the cockpit and nose right now. I planned to use that as a feature and cut in a small chin vent, but it could just as easily house a weapon. Changing the shape of the nose and cockpit might lose this though, I'll see what you think later when I mail you pictures of the changes.

Not sure about the spherical wheels though, I don't see how it's a space saver at all. and if it's got a repulsorlift installed then why bother making it look more like a 20th century aircraft? I think maybe feet like an X-Wing might be more complimentary myself, but it's your shout.

Easiest guy to make stuff for is ME! I dont give a toss and I know what looks best for everything

Worst would have to be a guy at the ASDB Star Trek group that I occasionally did models for. He used to design his ships as 2 inch long pencil sketches in the corners of writing pads and then moan that you didn't follow his 'plans' closely enough when you showed him what you'd made. Everyone who tried to do stuff for him ended up vowing to forget ever trying again.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-07 12:21pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Nah, I'll stick to e-mail and forums righ now, I tried Trillian ages ago and still had to talk to retards.

Oh ok, Sorry about that wild goose chase then...

Fuck you, anonymous retards!

There's a wide, slightly raised line under the nose, similar in width to the top flattened area running over the cockpit and nose right now. I planned to use that as a feature and cut in a small chin vent, but it could just as easily house a weapon. Changing the shape of the nose and cockpit might lose this though, I'll see what you think later when I mail you pictures of the changes.

I'd rather lose it or have it moved a bit farther back under the nose. I was thinking those circles on either side of the nose could be headlights or weapon holes.
Speaking of weapons, these won't be the kind that kill, they'd merely make lots of noise and light, and be designed to make a pretty lightshow when they hit another ship or its deflector-shield bubble, maybe knocking the other ship around a bit at "high" power setting. It'll be the 29th century equivalent of a car horn and squirt gun rolled into one! Of course, the Law-Enforcement version would have multi-mode weapons that do have a kill setting. Probly a micro-missile bay on the underside, too

Not sure about the spherical wheels though, I don't see how it's a space saver at all. and if it's got a repulsorlift installed then why bother making it look more like a 20th century aircraft? I think maybe feet like an X-Wing might be more complimentary myself, but it's your shout.

Ah, go with the X-wing landing legs then. They could always house tiny wheels anyway to aid in parking/taxiing in the garage...

Easiest guy to make stuff for is ME! I dont give a toss and I know what looks best for everything Worst would have to be a guy at the ASDB Star Trek group that I occasionally did models for. He used to design his ships as 2 inch long pencil sketches in the corners of writing pads and then moan that you didn't follow his 'plans' closely enough when you showed him what you'd made. Everyone who tried to do stuff for him ended up vowing to forget ever trying again.

WTF?! I guess you can see that I'm taking small pains to make it easy for you to get the shape I want. I don't want to be on ASDB Design-A-Ship-On-The-Back-Of-A-Napkin Trek-Guy's end of the spectrum

LMAO! Lata and Happy Starship-Modeling!

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-07 11:46pm

Enlightenment wrote:<mod hat on>
Some quotes adjusted and long-links hidden with url tags to keep the formatting reasonable.
</mod hat off>

Thanks, E. Link-dressing will always be appreciated.

Einhander: Nice work. Really goes to show that skills can be a lot more important than tools. I've seen worse stuff done by people with Illustrator at their disposal.

Thanks again, E! I use MSPaint because it's the tool that I know has the right featureset. You wouldn't believe how many "advanced" gfx proggies make it a fucking ordeal just to cut, copy, flip, paste, etc with the "select" tool! Only knocks against Paint are that it needs a proper spray effect, transparency effects, gradient, and more filetype options. Oh well...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 06:28pm

Update on Camaro: I sent an email to Kenny with a threeview of the bow section of the Cammie and a cutaway of the type of engine it uses. Needless to say, the Cammie's gonna need a major rebuild. I might hear from Kenny as soon as today, but don't hold your breath.

EvilSnoman@@@Y4ho0.com.com.exe (de-l33tify yahoo and remove the .com.exe bit) wrote:I took the liberty of making a primitive three-view of
the bow section (complete with parts labels!! LOL), so
that should make work somewhat easier even if it
requires apparently major revision. The yellow line on
one side of the original view is what the "chine" I
referred to appears to be shaped like in the three D
model. I also made a provision for a weapon mount
under the chin of the ship. I also realized the cross
section on the rear half of the fuselage is a bit
buggered, and that the "proper" CS could possibly
accomodate the single massive engine I have on the
ship. A landing gear panel and strut can also be
placed on the underside of the ship just forward of
the atmospheric intakes.

I also attached a cross-section of the particular
engine type the ship uses, a zero-point-field-powered
gravitic matter-antimatter ramjet (yeah, that's a
lotta technobabble, but you'll see what I mean. ROFL)
It explains why there's a need for intakes in the
first place. Since the ZPF genny makes only a few
dozen grams of gaseous M/AM a second at full toot, the
intakes provide reaction mass for the fuel burn to
"push" against. In space the ship will rely on its
gravitic motor elements in the engine and wings.

Ed. Note: I'll attach the pics referred to above as soon as I contact Dalton and ask for permission for him to host the pics.

So far, the Credits for the ship are as follows: Me - 2D design; Kenny_10_Bellys - 3D Model.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 06:37pm

'Nother Update: Kenny's been sick, so in all likelyhood it won't be today. Keep Kenny in your heart and prayers so he'll have a quick recovery...

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-10 06:52pm

It's just a bout of Flu or something, I feel like shitty death right now but I don't think I'm quite at the 'public appeal' stage quite yet.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-10 07:22pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:'Nother Update: Kenny's been sick, so in all likelyhood it won't be today. Keep Kenny in your heart and prayers so he'll have a quick recovery...

"Oh unmentionable Cthulhu, smite the little bugs in Kenny with thy unwholesome power, for I would like to saddle him with an increased workload mine own self"....

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 07:29pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:'Nother Update: Kenny's been sick, so in all likelyhood it won't be today. Keep Kenny in your heart and prayers so he'll have a quick recovery...
"Oh unmentionable Cthulhu, smite the little bugs in Kenny with thy unwholesome power, for I would like to saddle him with an increased workload mine own self"....

Uh oh

Kenny, you're apparently more popular here than you think...

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-03-10 08:10pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:It's just a bout of Flu or something, I feel like shitty death right now but I don't think I'm quite at the 'public appeal' stage quite yet.

Welcome to 'Kenny Aid', yes if you've enjoyed any of Kenny's fine works to date then please pledge your support for him in his time of need. Just as little as £100 can supply Kenny with a Thai Nurse/bride, who can minister to his every need. £300 can ensure that it isn't a Lady-boy.
Give now, and soon, you too can look at more of Kenny's fine works, safe in the knowledge that your money helped him get better, by putting a smile on his face, and a mail-order bride in his bed.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 08:20pm

Rob Wilson wrote:
Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:It's just a bout of Flu or something, I feel like shitty death right now but I don't think I'm quite at the 'public appeal' stage quite yet.
Welcome to 'Kenny Aid', yes if you've enjoyed any of Kenny's fine works to date then please pledge your support for him in his time of need. Just as little as £100 can supply Kenny with a Thai Nurse/bride, who can minister to his every need. £300 can ensure that it isn't a Lady-boy.
Give now, and soon, you too can look at more of Kenny's fine works, safe in the knowledge that your money helped him get better, by putting a smile on his face, and a mail-order bride in his bed.

ROTFLMMFGDQQAO! I don't think he'll want a "Lady-Boy" anyway, but I'll be WAY more than happy to take care of any stiff surprises stuffed under a skirt

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-10 08:26pm

Now you know why Alan Hart only subscribes to forums full of modelers anyway whereas I, with my easy going nature, stick my head above the battlements. Well, I suppose we had to have this chat sometime, so here goes...

<RANT>
I wish i could say no sometimes, I really do, cos I get about 1 offer a day to model some poor saps latest Trek kitbash or a bloody 3km long Akira class with every conceivable weapon on it. I've taken to just rubber earing them and don't reply, it's kinder in the long run if I leave them the illusion that maybe, just maybe, their mail got lost or I've moved or something. When I explain to them that modelling a Frankenstein-like creation or an uber-fanship is not really my thing, they freak. They can't see why I'm not as excited as they are to have me spend 2 weeks in front of a PC modeling their lovely creation for them.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE making 3D stuff of peoples ideas, it gives me a real kick to see their big puppy eyes fill up when they see it live and breath after only having been a sketch or whatever. It's partly why I do it, and part of it is the challenge to try and make the best of a promising design, and so we all win. But please understand, this 3D lark is anything but simple and is timing consuming in a way few people understand. I come home and if I get the bit between mt teeth I'll be in front of my PC from 6pm till gone 2 in the morning working on a model. Sometimes I just sit for ages rotating it, looking at it from all angles and admiring how it's coming along. How sad is that?

So please, as a personal favour to me, please dont be blown out if I dont agree to make a model for someone on this forum. I've already had to turn one guy down in a PM and it hurts me too. I have 1 film, 3 models and a texturing job on the go right now and time is more than limited now by my day job. By all means let me see what you've got, but unless it's a real stunner I'm not going to be hooked enough to drop everything and run with it. If you're lucky enough to get my attention between models, then chances are I'll make it, but as with so much in life timing is the key! Ask yourself this one question first, "Would I happily spend many hours making this if the roles were reversed?"
</RANT>

Sorry for the quick thread hijack there, thought it best to get it out now before someone gets all pissed off at me. Please please please dont be put off asking me to make stuff, it really is fun, but please dont take it personally if I can't find time to make it for you. sorry again.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-10 08:30pm

FUCK! My timing stinks! You go and hit me with levity when I'm ill and I hit you with a rant. I suck AND blow (not literally!) at this.

If you want to hire anyone, there's a rather tasty barmaid in the Dreadnought Hotel around the corner called Hazel. Now if she were to look kindly on me, maybe give me a little aid and comfort, that would go a long way to lightening my mood. I'm always in a good mood after a tongue bath.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 08:42pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Now you know why Alan Hart only subscribes to forums full of modelers anyway whereas I, with my easy going nature, stick my head above the battlements. Well, I suppose we had to have this chat sometime, so here goes...

<RANT>
I wish i could say no sometimes, I really do, cos I get about 1 offer a day to model some poor saps latest Trek kitbash or a bloody 3km long Akira class with every conceivable weapon on it. I've taken to just rubber earing them and don't reply, it's kinder in the long run if I leave them the illusion that maybe, just maybe, their mail got lost or I've moved or something. When I explain to them that modelling a Frankenstein-like creation or an uber-fanship is not really my thing, they freak. They can't see why I'm not as excited as they are to have me spend 2 weeks in front of a PC modeling their lovely creation for them.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE making 3D stuff of peoples ideas, it gives me a real kick to see their big puppy eyes fill up when they see it live and breath after only having been a sketch or whatever. It's partly why I do it, and part of it is the challenge to try and make the best of a promising design, and so we all win. But please understand, this 3D lark is anything but simple and is timing consuming in a way few people understand. I come home and if I get the bit between mt teeth I'll be in front of my PC from 6pm till gone 2 in the morning working on a model. Sometimes I just sit for ages rotating it, looking at it from all angles and admiring how it's coming along. How sad is that?

So please, as a personal favour to me, please dont be blown out if I dont agree to make a model for someone on this forum. I've already had to turn one guy down in a PM and it hurts me too. I have 1 film, 3 models and a texturing job on the go right now and time is more than limited now by my day job. By all means let me see what you've got, but unless it's a real stunner I'm not going to be hooked enough to drop everything and run with it. If you're lucky enough to get my attention between models, then chances are I'll make it, but as with so much in life timing is the key! Ask yourself this one question first, "Would I happily spend many hours making this if the roles were reversed?"
</RANT>

Sorry for the quick thread hijack there, thought it best to get it out now before someone gets all pissed off at me. Please please please dont be put off asking me to make stuff, it really is fun, but please dont take it personally if I can't find time to make it for you. sorry again.

Oops did I say something bad? Come to think of it, I'll be happy with only the Camaro.

My apologies for causing any bad blood...

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-10 09:08pm

No, don't worry about it, no one's done anything wrong. I'm tired, ill and eventually it has to come out anyway. Dont anyone be worried by it, no one has pissed anyone off and I love you all like brothers. Best to ignore me when I'm like this, I'm not a good patient.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-03-10 09:11pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:FUCK! My timing stinks! You go and hit me with levity when I'm ill and I hit you with a rant. I suck AND blow (not literally!) at this.

Don't worry about it, everyone needs to blow off steam, it's good for you. Why hold a rant in, whne you feel it needs to be said?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 09:36pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:No, don't worry about it, no one's done anything wrong. I'm tired, ill and eventually it has to come out anyway. Dont anyone be worried by it, no one has pissed anyone off and I love you all like brothers. Best to ignore me when I'm like this, I'm not a good patient.

Oh oops. Hope you get better real soon.

*hands Kenny a nice hot bowl of chicken soup and a fifty-gallon barrel of OJ*

I want that barrel empty by next Monday, ok? LMAO

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-10 09:52pm

Kenny, it was a just a vague idear I had, I understand how it is having everybody and their cousin wanting you to make something for them, while I haven't done anything in years, I used to sculpt, and everybody was always "Me next!". My sympathies and understanding.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-10 10:00pm

Thanks for putting up with me guys, your a brick!

Frank, PM me and let me know what you were looking to get done anyway, can't hurt to check it out?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 10:41pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Thanks for putting up with me guys, your a brick!

Frank, PM me and let me know what you were looking to get done anyway, can't hurt to check it out?

Thank you for regaling us with such amazing talent! BTW what's brick mean?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-10 11:52pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Update on Camaro: I sent an email to Kenny with a threeview of the bow section of the Cammie and a cutaway of the type of engine it uses. Needless to say, the Cammie's gonna need a major rebuild. I might hear from Kenny as soon as today, but don't hold your breath.

EvilSnoman@@@Y4ho0.com.com.exe (de-l33tify yahoo and remove the .com.exe bit) wrote:I took the liberty of making a primitive three-view of
the bow section (complete with parts labels!! LOL), so
that should make work somewhat easier even if it
requires apparently major revision. The yellow line on
one side of the original view is what the "chine" I
referred to appears to be shaped like in the three D
model. I also made a provision for a weapon mount
under the chin of the ship. I also realized the cross
section on the rear half of the fuselage is a bit
buggered, and that the "proper" CS could possibly
accomodate the single massive engine I have on the
ship. A landing gear panel and strut can also be
placed on the underside of the ship just forward of
the atmospheric intakes.

I also attached a cross-section of the particular
engine type the ship uses, a zero-point-field-powered
gravitic matter-antimatter ramjet (yeah, that's a
lotta technobabble, but you'll see what I mean. ROFL)
It explains why there's a need for intakes in the
first place. Since the ZPF genny makes only a few
dozen grams of gaseous M/AM a second at full toot, the
intakes provide reaction mass for the fuel burn to
"push" against. In space the ship will rely on its
gravitic motor elements in the engine and wings.
Ed. Note: I'll attach the pics referred to above as soon as I contact Dalton and ask for permission for him to host the pics.

So far, the Credits for the ship are as follows: Me - 2D design; Kenny_10_Bellys - 3D Model.

Here are those pics!

Credits Update: Dalton for hosting these and the original pics of the ship.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-03-11 01:25am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Thanks for putting up with me guys, your a brick!

Frank, PM me and let me know what you were looking to get done anyway, can't hurt to check it out?
Thank you for regaling us with such amazing talent! BTW what's brick mean?

A good guy, solid, dependable, Supportive. Take the meaning from context - like Buddy or mate.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-03-11 01:54am

Oh, thought it meant blunt or dense

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-03-11 03:57am

Dalton wrote:Oh, thought it meant blunt or dense

Well it can be context driven depending on who you're talking to...

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-03-11 05:08am

Yeah, you're all blunt and dense

The side views really help, just going from a top down drawing is never advisable and you can see how wrong I got it from the first model. I'll begin rebuilding this tomorrow, I don't think I'll be at work so I'll have time to get this redone. It's actually easier now, this body shape is easier to model than the one I came up with. Stay tuned for more developments...