SD.NET October Art Contest

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 04:37am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:But the majority does care about the outcome and results of the contest, Fanboy.

Again, I don't understand why you think that we can't have any fun if the contest has rules and guidelines. A contest without such is not a contest, but an exhibition. What sort of conditions do you feel are needed for you to have what you would consider to be a good time in a thread, particularly one that is a contest?

I'm not trying to insult you or be a dick about this, I just honestly cannot understand your issue with the matter.

If you arent trying to insult people, then whats with th little "Kindergartener comment" from earlier.

My point originally was that photoshoppers who dont use 100% their own source material should be allowed to be entered, but either judged separeately or have the fact that they aren;t entrely original into account. Its photoshopping. I dont see any trobules with it, sites Like somethingawful, Fark, and WOrth1000 do it all the time.

Then you come in and state that ;

Why the hell wouldn't it be serious? Letting every little piece of crap and junk in done by anyone just so we can all have a bunch of jolly, no tension fun would be insulting to those of us who ARE taking the contest seriously.

And the point I am now focusing on is:

If you want it to be serious, then you or the other organizers should be more exclusive about this contest before it starts rather than simply starting a thread, then having every participant to post their own stuff, rather than emailing it to an organizer. If its going to be in a completely open thread, then when someone posts something you have no right to complain unless its outright plagarism or in some ways offensive, regardless of quality.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-16 05:16am

If you want it to be serious, then you or the other organizers should be more exclusive about this contest before it starts rather than simply starting a thread, then having every participant to post their own stuff, rather than emailing it to an organizer. If its going to be in a completely open thread, then when someone posts something you have no right to complain unless its outright plagarism or in some ways offensive, regardless of quality.

I don't mean to sound harsh.. but couldn't have stated that a long time ago?

~ver

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 05:29am

you don't sound harsh, I could have made that point more outright to begin with. but i didn't think id have to spell it out.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:35am

It would help if you weren't so vague about what you were having a problem with. Honestly it sounded like the biggest problem you were having was that the very fact that the contest has rules.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 05:43am

And it would help if every time you saw one of my posts you didnt crawl up on your Ivory tower.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:44am

You first.

Seriously...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 06:00am

Once again Spanky takes the "Holier than thou" route. But its odd though that youve resorted to shortened posts as opposed to your usual long tirades and lectures.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-16 06:21am

Wait a minute...you guys are arguing over a contest which doesn't even have a prize?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 06:43am

Robert Treder wrote:Wait a minute...you guys are arguing over a contest which doesn't even have a prize?

which was part of my first point exactly! Yes RObert we have to argue over it, because its a serious contest where serious people have serious fun doing serious work. or whatever

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-16 06:45am

I see. Well, in the words of the immortal Mr. Binks, "Count me outta dis one!"

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-16 06:53am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Once again Spanky takes the "Holier than thou" route. But its odd though that youve resorted to shortened posts as opposed to your usual long tirades and lectures.

Who's going up the Ivory Tower now?

Look, DF, maybe you didn't think you had to spell it out, but it wouldn't have led to this if you had, now would it have? Unfortunately, as much as I like you, I'm going to have to side with Spanky here. You gave us the impression that you had a problem with the contest having rules (what contest doesn't?), and yet you fail to address the issue. Furthermore, this SHOULD HAVE been taken to PM about 15 posts back.

~ver

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 06:56am

verilon wrote:snippage

My sincerest apoliges for the last post, 'twas uncalled for.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-10-16 07:03am

I wondered how this had suddenly gone from 4 posts to 3 pages, I should have realised it had to involve an argument.

Indeed there are no prizes, but without a few simple rules there is no contest either, and as this is the first time this has been run here we'll have to make it up as we go along.

Might I suggest that basic image manipulation doesn't come into the art category unless we're talking about major, major work effort. If you've used one or two small elements of other peoples work in the design of a much larger piece containing a lot of original input, then fine. Taking someone else's artwork and applying a filter to it does not bring it into the realm of an original artwork. There are a number of photoshop contests out there specifically for 'image manipulation' work, I'd suggest we keep it seperate here as well. Not only does it avoid any copyright headaches for the people who run the board, it keeps the playing field a little more even.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 07:11am

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:I wondered how this had suddenly gone from 4 posts to 3 pages, I should have realised it had to involve an argument. Indeed there are no prizes, but without a few simple rules there is no contest either, and as this is the first time this has been run here we'll have to make it up as we go along.

Might I suggest that basic image manipulation doesn't come into the art category unless we're talking about major, major work effort. If you've used one or two small elements of other peoples work in the design of a much larger piece containing a lot of original input, then fine. Taking someone else's artwork and applying a filter to it does not bring it into the realm of an original artwork. There are a number of photoshop contests out there specifically for 'image manipulation' work, I'd suggest we keep it seperate here as well. Not only does it avoid any copyright headaches for the people who run the board, it keeps the playing field a little more even.

for the most part you;re probably right, though i would think that the categories need to be better defined. Especially for a contest where anyone can submit by simpyl posting in this thread.

BTW once again great work on the "anime fighter"

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2003-10-16 07:19am

I must disagree about there being no prize. There's always a prize. In this case, bragging rights and the knowledge that you made something that people like better then the others.
But if people need something tangible, we could come up with something to add to our sig, or avatar, but you can only keep it till the end of the next contest, then you have to give it up if you don't win. Kind of like a title belt. Something like "The Golden Pencil."

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-10-16 11:18am

I have to admit that it's easier just dealing with 2D or 3D seperately, it might come down to that in the end. The way we run it at SB is to have a modelling contest and a rendering or 2D contest run seperately, side by side. The 2D bit died on it's arse, the modelling contest continues to generate interest nearly a year on from when we first had the idea. It however, is judged on the thing you create and not how it's pictured, which is easier to manage. Since it must be an original design we have no copyright or 'fair use' issues, and even if you can't do amazing renders you can still come up with an interesting design and show it in a 5-view ortho style layout.

Might that be an idea, a contest to design something rather than create art? You're gauranteed originality and it doesn't matter a toss if you use 2D or 3D, indeed 2D guys would be at an advantage. The final entries are gathered together in a poll that anyone can vote on and the public choose the winner. Might be easier to judge and administer, the tools you use no longer matter then. Just a thought...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-10-16 11:36am

Good idea Axeman (sayz the 31337 Two Dee MSPaint Guy)

I'm good at designing things but shit at art with 2D. If I go 3D that may change...

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-10-16 12:26pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Did you draw that picture of Kuja?

I wish.

To say that I have no talent for artwork is being kind. The few times I've seriously attempted to draw anything, the result were, well, bad. My entry is pretty much the height of what I can do. *shrug*

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I can guarentee that he did not.

Spanky, fuck off and let me handle the questions directed at me.

Spanky wrote:Anyway, I personally would not allow that to qualify as an entry, as it is just a simple manipulation of a pre-existing image with text added.

"Simple manipulation"? I spent three and a half hours trying to get that done, and I'm still not satisfied with it. Simple manipulation, go fuck yourself.

Rye wrote:Hmmm, it just looks like an inverted kuja to me....

No, my AV is an inverted Kuja. I had to torque the submitted pic a lot more than one might think.

If the other contestants want me to take my entry down, I will. But don't presume to tell me how much work I did or did not put into it.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-16 01:24pm

No, my AV is an inverted Kuja. I had to torque the submitted pic a lot more than one might think.

Right.. colorizing an image like that does take quite a bit of work, I must admit. In fact, I spent an hour this morning paintshopping a PSP tube.. colorizing and inverting colors, and then softening edges so that it looks halfways decent. It takes a lot of work. I'm actually surprised it turned out as good as it did.

~ver

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-10-16 04:44pm

I didn't mean to start this argument...

I've got a stupid question. Really stupid, in fact. Do you think it's allowable for my 3D art to be a bit more traditional IE made from clay? I want to do something outside of the box *taps computer*

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 04:57pm

Kuja, no offence, but excuse me for not knowing it took you more than three hours to do something I can do in less than five or ten minutes.

In all honesty, for me something like that is a simple manipulation. I'm sorry that I offended you.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-10-16 05:00pm

At the very least the winner will have the privelage of deciding the subject of the next contest. Maybe we can have an admin give him something extra if we want.

Anyway, it's starting to look as if we'll have to divide into 2D and 3D. Same theme but two categories.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-10-16 06:25pm

Well if something took little effort, the voters will surely be able to see it too, right?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-10-16 06:28pm

Rye wrote:Well if something took little effort, the voters will surely be able to see it too, right?

In the end, it will be the votes who judge the result.

So if someone just slapped something together and turned it in, the voting results will reflect their lack of effort.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-10-16 08:20pm

Shinova wrote:At the very least the winner will have the privelage of deciding the subject of the next contest. Maybe we can have an admin give him something extra if we want.

Anyway, it's starting to look as if we'll have to divide into 2D and 3D. Same theme but two categories.

After the first contest is complete, I'll make an permanent announcment thread consisting of the winners of the contests.