The New Avril Song?

Post by **haas mark** » 2007-05-23 04:24am

Plekhanov wrote:Thing is Avril is just as thin and pretty as Jessica Simpson or whoever only she has a different stylist so I'm not sure how she's really of much help to teens who think they're fat and ugly.

TLC's song "Unpretty" should be a required video for all health classes.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-05-23 10:03am

The idea that you can make girls stop being self-conscious about their appearance seems like pure fantasy to me. At best, you can make them realize that the range of "attractive" is a bit wider than they thought, but you'd have to pretty much wall them off from reality if you want to convince them that appearance doesn't matter. Every study on the subject has shown that good-looking people do better in all aspects of life, even professionally.

Post by **haas mark** » 2007-05-23 03:27pm

Darth Wong wrote:The idea that you can make girls stop being self-conscious about their appearance seems like pure fantasy to me. At best, you can make them realize that the range of "attractive" is a bit wider than they thought, but you'd have to pretty much wall them off from reality if you want to convince them that appearance doesn't matter. Every study on the subject has shown that good-looking people do better in all aspects of life, even professionally.

Pfft, no one can ever "make" someone stop being self-conscious, but above song would at least help. It at least is a better image than "America's Top Model" but really, that is something for another thread.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2007-05-23 07:53pm

Darth Wong wrote:The whole idea of condemning people for being "corporate sell-outs" seems rather dodgy to me anyway. Condemn them for some aspect of their music, not because they're making shitloads of money for their employers.

Generally speaking, when most people talk about "sell-outs", they're referring to bands altering their sound so they're more accessible, radio-friendly, etc. Whether this actually happens or not is debatable, but the only people I really see disliking any band because they're popular are the "OMG ANARCHY STICK IT TO THE MAN FUCK YEAH" type.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2007-05-28 12:53am

Exonerate wrote:Generally speaking, when most people talk about "sell-outs", they're referring to bands altering their sound so they're more accessible, radio-friendly, etc.

Normal people talk about it that way. And in some cases it's true enough that a band will change their sound or generally change how they are for the sake of commercial appeal. However there are a good many that will cut a band dead for selling more than a dozen homemade albums.

Exonerate wrote:Whether this actually happens or not is debatable, but the only people I really see disliking any band because they're popular are the "OMG ANARCHY STICK IT TO THE MAN FUCK YEAH" type.

You've never seen a college "music scene" group, have you? There are plenty of people that do it just to be pretentious twats.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2007-05-28 07:39am

Darth Wong wrote:
TithonusSyndrome wrote:I'd think that you, of all people, would be able to recognize this behaviour for what it is immediately. It lends them a sense of solidarity and unity around their intentionally esoteric culture which is hostile to critics and dismisses them for being phillistines without any hope of understanding their culture unless they accept it's premises on their say-so alone, just like any good religion.
It's interesting that this behaviour can sprout up spontaneously without the kind of organized indoctrination machine that most religions employ.

I'd be surprised if the behavior couldn't sprout up spontaneously: after all, if cliqueiness weren't a part of the overall human psyche, how would religions have gotten started before the indoctrination machines were in place?