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Teens discover Zeppelin for the first time

Posted: 2007-03-22 12:24am
by Big Phil
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Eastside teens discover why it's called "classic" rock

By Amy Roe

Seattle Times Eastside bureau

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Members of The Solid Hypnotic are, from left, Michael DeYoung on drums, Josh Kipersztok, Jeff Fairbanks and Nick Feldman. Most of today's alternative rock is soulless, says Fairbanks, echoing a trend among teens and young adults.

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Kris Lieberg, left, Ray Stewart and Jack Machin, members of The Breakers, rehearse in Machin's basement in Redmond. (Not pictured is drummer Andy Emery.) The Breakers are expected to be contenders in the Classic Rock-a-Thon.

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The first memory Andy Lawrence has is of sitting in his dad's truck, listening to Queen.

He was 3 years old and the lyrics — Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the fandango? — were gobbledygook, but it was classic rock, baby, and Lawrence was ready to roll.

" 'Bohemian Rhapsody,' " he deadpans, "that's where it all started."

Lawrence has returned to the tunes of his youth; Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, The Who. Some of his favorite bands broke up before he was born; others are likely candidates for a reunion tour at the Emerald Queen Casino, a venue Lawrence, 17, is too young to enter.

Classic rock may be their parents' soundtrack, but teens like Lawrence are making it their own. They're tuning into classic-rock radio, wearing vintage tour shirts and putting their own spin on the genre.

"It's kind of become a huge fad now ... walking around with Pink Floyd T-shirts," said Ray Stewart, 19-year-old vocalist and bassist for the Redmond band The Breakers.

Music-industry analyst Bob Lefsetz said classic rock is growing in popularity because teens are turned off by newer music.

Classic rock


The deadline to apply for the Classic Rock-a-Thon is 5 p.m. Friday. Old Fire House Teen Center will present semifinals April 6 and finals April 20.

Application packets are available at the Old Fire House, 16510 N.E. 79th St., Redmond, WA 98052, or at www.theoldfirehouse.org.

"The kids who are discovering Zeppelin are not listening to Beyoncé," he said. "They listen to it as a badge of separateness" from the fashion-focused world of Top 40.

Some teens have tired of synth pop's artificial flavors. A few were tutored by Jack Black's 2003 film "School of Rock," and his alter ego in the duo Tenacious D. Many were turned on to the genre by musically inclined parents. Stewart's mom, a harpist, plays in a group called The Mother Pluckers.

No classic-rock band is too creaky or obscure to these teens, not even Lynyrd Skynyrd, said Chris Cullen, 39, director of the Old Fire House Teen Center in Redmond.

When he realized "kids are actually digging" the Southern-fried rockers, Cullen thought, "Whoa, this is weird."

But he happily helped Lawrence organize the Classic Rock-a-Thon, a battle of the bands at the Old Fire House Teen Center. Contestants will play classic-rock songs written from the 1950s to 1990s in a bid for bragging rights, prizes and a chance to open for a classic-rock band.

Bands will be judged in categories such as performance, originality, and one Lawrence made up: "general amazement."

The rock-a-thon is open to all ages, but at least one member of the band must be aged 14 to 21, the age range the teen center serves.

Lawrence hopes most contestants are closer to 14. He wants to attract musicians who put a new spin on an old tune, not professional cover bands who've got classic-rock hits down pat.

"The older you get," he said, "it seems like a lot of people actually sell out."

Young pros

Ray Stewart and Jack Machin are never selling out, and they're never going to give up.

Dude, never.

As members of The Breakers, they may be the rock-a-thon's band to beat. Founded in 2003 with a series of what Stewart called "personnel changes," The Breakers have played every all-ages venue in the Puget Sound area, including the Old Fire House Teen Center, "like, 50 times," he said.

They count classic-rock bands like Deep Purple as their biggest influence and believe that anything played on classic-rock station KZOK is better than today's music.

From fall 2005 to fall 2006 the average quarter-hour share — a combination of who is listening and how long they're listening — for people ages 12 to 17 increased by 100 percent at KZOK-FM (102.5), according to Arbitron.

Classic-rock musicians were innovators of their time, and they were more skilled, said Machin, 18.

Today's alternative-rock bands don't sound as "organic," said Jeff Fairbanks, bassist for The Solid Hypnotic, a three-month-old band. With the exception of Soundgarden, Fairbanks said, much of what's played on alternative-rock stations comes off as slick and soulless.

Because it's rebellious and unabashedly masculine, classic rock is a natural for young male musicians, Machin added.

"Rock music is really about male testosterone force," he said, adding that he and his bandmates try to keep that energy in check.

"We have to remind ourselves that we're not competing for the last zebra on the field."

The Breakers have emerged as an alpha band anyway. At the Old Fire House, they've influenced other musicians, like The Solid Hypnotic.

Judy DeYoung, whose son, Michael, is The Solid Hypnotic's drummer, is thrilled he picked up on his parents' love of classic rock, although one classic-rock band divides the family.

"I hate The Eagles," said DeYoung, 51. "I've already told the boys I really do not want any Eagles songs played in the house."

Passions collide

The rock-a-thon may be a contest, but The Solid Hypnotic guitarist/vocalist Josh Kipersztok, 17, said the biggest competition they face comes from college, not each other.

"It's kind of discouraging," said Kipersztok, who attends Kirkland's International Community School, "because college is becoming more and more relevant."

Machin and Stewart are students at Bellevue Community College, but Stewart may soon transfer to Western Washington University, putting a 90-mile drive between them.

The question of whether both bands will endure reverberates like feedback from a guitar.

"I'll build a light-rail system from there to your house," Stewart tells his bandmate.

"It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter," Machin replies, as if singing the chorus of a song. "If he goes [to Western] there will still be a band."

Or at the very least, a reunion tour.

'Cause teenagers have never 'discovered' Zeppelin before :roll:

Posted: 2007-03-22 12:35am
by JLTucker
That is one ugly ass Strat the singer has.

Posted: 2007-03-22 01:49am
by Drewcifer
I love it when life imitates fiction...
The Onion wrote:Teen Who Just Discovered Led Zeppelin Starting To Piss Off Friends
October 31, 2001 | Issue 37•39

GURNEE, IL—Mark Campa, 16, who has listened to and talked about Led Zeppelin almost exclusively since discovering the '70s rock group over the summer, is "really starting to piss off" his friends, sources reported Monday.

"I've got nothing against Zep—they're awesome," said James Savich, 16, a longtime friend of Campa's. "But Mark acts like he's the first person ever to really get into them when he's, like, the 59 billionth."

Campa was first exposed to the band in June when older brother Bryan returned from college and started playing Led Zeppelin II while lifting weights in the garage. After one listen, Campa was reportedly hooked, buying his own copy and playing it incessantly for weeks.

Campa's Led Zeppelin fixation soon manifested itself in myriad ways, with the teen playing only Led Zeppelin in his car, drawing the Led Zeppelin IV runes on his arm, and spending $73 at the Kane County Fair ring toss in an effort to win a Swan Song mirror.

According to friends, Campa's newfound love of the band has caused him to behave in a "dicklick" fashion.

"Last Saturday night, a bunch of us were driving around cranking the new Slipknot when Mark popped the tape out and started messing with the radio," said Rick Eglund, 17. "I was like, 'Dude, what's your problem?' He said it was time for WLUP's 'Get The Led Out' and that he never missed it. I told him he was gonna miss it that night. Then, he tried to stop me from putting the tape back into my own stereo. I had to pull over and force him to switch seats with Dan [Alberman]."

"The stupid thing is, at the time, we were driving Mark home," Eglund continued. "He has all their CDs, so he could've listened to Zep all night if he'd just waited five minutes. I guess he had to prove what a big fan he is."

In addition to naming his '91 Prelude the "Honda Of The Holy" and renaming his cat of four years "Bonzo" as an homage to late Led Zeppelin drummer John "Bonzo" Bonham, Campa has irritated friends with his constant barrage of Led Zeppelin trivia.

"In the past week alone, I've learned that Keith Moon came up with the band's name, Jimmy Page is in the movie Blowup, and 'All Of My Love' is about Robert Plant's son Karac, who died from a viral infection," Savich said. "And if I hear Mark tell us about the 'mudshark incident' one more time, I'm gonna kill him. Everybody knows Hammer Of The Gods is bullshit, anyway."

Campa has also developed a habit of pointing out Led Zeppelin connections to seemingly non-Zeppelin-related items.

"I downloaded the Lord Of The Rings trailer and, next thing you know, Mark goes into this whole thing about how 'The Battle Of Evermore' references the book Lord Of The Rings," Alberman said. "I had to re-start the trailer after he was done because no one got to see it. It's getting to the point where you're almost afraid to go to a movie with Mark because John Paul Jones' second cousin might be an extra in it."

Added Eglund: "It could be worse, I guess. He could've gotten into the Grateful Dead. Or Floyd. Just imagine if he walked around all day quoting Dark Side Of The Moon. Christ."
:lol:

Posted: 2007-03-22 03:05am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
I've always known just how Fucking Awesome Led Zep is since I was around four. I have a ton of Classic Rock in my music bucket :)

Posted: 2007-03-23 08:04pm
by Oni Koneko Damien
I was born in 83 and grew up on Eagles, Floyd, Zeppelin, and others because it was what my parents listened to. The whole 'Golly gee, 'old' music can be really good!' phase that a lot of teens go through never ceases to amuse me. Where the hell did they think the current music descended (although I suppose a more accurate term would be 'degenerated') from?

Holy crap I sound old.

Posted: 2007-03-23 10:06pm
by aerius
I have a couple Led Zeppelin albums on vinyl, one of these days I'll play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards to see if there really is a satanic hidden message.

Posted: 2007-03-23 10:47pm
by Rye
It annoys the shit out of me when kids think they're so original because they like Queen or something, and music had a cutoff point x years ago when it ceased being good and everything since is just unpleasant. They're just lazy, pretentious morons, and every single genre has them!

It's like, you'll get gimps parading their classical music love on their sleeves in order to get associated with the refined intelligent steretype. Those people suck, we all know they suck and we all know most of them don't know classical compositions beyond the opening parts. "Hey, this beethoven song goes duhduhduhDUHN... after that, I can't remember!"

There are the purists that think the Beatles are the be all and end all of rock, or pink floyd, zep, whoever, or those metalheads that think motley crue or slayer or iron maiden are the only metal bands that are "truly metal" and even then, it's only the "old stuff" with the arbitrary cutoff point.

I mean look at this: "Classic-rock musicians were innovators of their time, and they were more skilled, said Machin, 18. " :roll:

What utter bullshit. Anyone that tells me Deep fucking Purple are more skilled than Nile or Cannibal Corpse is full of shit, sure, people might not like the change in musical direction, but you need to be extremely talented and tight as fuck to play that shit live or in the studio, even. Same thing with Vai or Devin Townsend, and hell, look at the innovation electronic music has seen, Liam Howlett (prodigy) is a synth GOD. It fucks me off no end when people extolling the virtues of classic rock are so ignorant of the diversification and innovation that's taken place after their bullshit cutoff points.

People are so stupid.

Posted: 2007-03-23 11:15pm
by Ritterin Sophia
Who's this Led Zeppelin?

Posted: 2007-03-24 03:27am
by The Yosemite Bear
no one argues when I put on Zep, the who,l or cash.

it jst isn't done.

Posted: 2007-03-24 06:36am
by phred
General Schatten wrote:Who's this Led Zeppelin?
You must die now :P

While I disagree with Rye over considering cannibal corpse "music" she has a point. Anyone that uses age as a basis for judging musical quality is an idiot trying to make themselves feel superior.
To what, I dont know

Posted: 2007-03-24 06:53am
by Rye
Cannibal Corpse are awesome. The best way to realise just how awesome is to try and play some CC riffs with some friends doing the harmonic stuff and trying to play it as tight as possible. :)

And you're a goober if you don't think it's music, you just don't know what music is. :P

Posted: 2007-03-24 09:25am
by Mrs Kendall
Off topic...
phred wrote:
While I disagree with Rye over considering cannibal corpse "music" she has a point.
:lol: Rye is a guy.

Hey Rye, your avatar has managed to confuse a noob :lol:

On topic... I grew up listening to this classic rock as well, but I was also the youngest of 5 sisters so not only did I get to hear the good classic stuff, I was also very familiar with the 80's music and was the only one in my age group growing up who knew all these songs so well I could sing them with no mistakes.

Kids, just discovering Led Zepplin, gimme a break.

Edit: Damn typos

Posted: 2007-03-24 09:32am
by Stark
Rye wrote:And you're a goober if you don't think it's music, you just don't know what music is. :P
This simply never gets old.

In other news, I think (as the Onion article suggests) this sort of thing has been going on for a LOOOONG time. I mean, who the fuck cared about the Ramones? Now ever 12yo is 'discovering' them. It's the 'niche elitism' thing. Rye could tell us ALL ABOUT THAT AM I RIGHT LOL? :D

Posted: 2007-03-24 09:41am
by Rye
No, Stark, you're not right. You're FAT and look as though you should be, but you're NOT.

Posted: 2007-03-24 09:57am
by Soontir C'boath
Rye, I don't know who Cannibal Corpse is but it seems the person you quoted is more railing against bands like Nickelback, which are shit.

Posted: 2007-03-24 10:10am
by The Yosemite Bear
heh, of course this all reminds me of that day in college when my new roomate walked in while me and some friends were kicking back, studying and listening to: Billie Holiday, John Coltrane, and Charles Mingus, on a nice long extended play home mixed jazz collection. The Rap music fan proceeded to take the tape out, slide in a 2short CD, and throw the tape on the ground calling it "Honky Bullshit"


someone with knowledge of music explain why the Rap fan was incorrect on so many levels.... (the song that was playing at the time was actually "God Bless the Child"

Posted: 2007-03-24 02:18pm
by phred
Mrs Kendall wrote:
phred wrote:
While I disagree with Rye over considering cannibal corpse "music" she has a point.
:lol: Rye is a guy.

Hey Rye, your avatar has managed to confuse a noob :lol:
Sorry about that Rye.
As for the Cannibal Corpse thing, when you start puking on yer microphone it ceases being music to me.

As an aside, anyone ever run into one of those people that think you have to listen to music on vinyl to truly appreciate it? Or something like that, Ive never quite understood their argument

Posted: 2007-03-24 02:49pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Ah, the old Progressive Rock Discovery Phase...

Posted: 2007-03-24 03:58pm
by tim31
Oh, to be that naive again...

Well I guess this is growing up.

Posted: 2007-03-24 04:41pm
by J
phred wrote:As an aside, anyone ever run into one of those people that think you have to listen to music on vinyl to truly appreciate it? Or something like that, Ive never quite understood their argument
I'm engaged to such a person, god help me. It's not that bad since both of us grew up with vinyl so it's kinda like a timewarp back to our childhood years.

Posted: 2007-03-24 06:32pm
by aerius
phred wrote:As an aside, anyone ever run into one of those people that think you have to listen to music on vinyl to truly appreciate it? Or something like that, Ive never quite understood their argument
Because Dr. Harvey "Gizmo" Rosenberg said it a lot better than I can, I'll just quote him:
[quote=""Gizmo""]This vinylmania is about having the maximum number of different forms of musical stimulation, or said from another point of view...having the maximum number of options in creating your unique home aural matrix.

Yet, I think on the most fundamental level vinyl is all about ritual, playing and having fun; exploring the physicality of the audio arts. When we do vinyl we are doing the roots thing. We are dealing with the primal gooey matter of our passion. Everything we know about the audio arts is rooted in the vinyl medium, and there is treasure encoded within its blackness, that will never been available in any digital format. If we don’t listen to vinyl an entire cosmos of music is invisible to us.[/quote]

Posted: 2007-03-25 09:52pm
by Big Phil
J wrote:
phred wrote:As an aside, anyone ever run into one of those people that think you have to listen to music on vinyl to truly appreciate it? Or something like that, Ive never quite understood their argument
I'm engaged to such a person, god help me. It's not that bad since both of us grew up with vinyl so it's kinda like a timewarp back to our childhood years.
Vinyl sounds different - hissing and popping aside, it just sounds more "authentic" or "real" than CDs. That may be a personal taste as opposed to a real, measurable difference, but I still prefer music on vinyl as opposed to on my iPod or CD player.

Posted: 2007-03-26 08:16am
by Mobius
old debate
Analog Vs Digital and since the DVD-A and SACD have tanked, the vinyl is all the rage for "warmer" (whatever that mean) sound between music enthusiasts.

Posted: 2007-03-26 11:42pm
by Drewcifer
The RIAA eq curve has a sweet spot at about 2kHz, that's part of why records sound good.

Posted: 2007-03-27 12:17pm
by TithonusSyndrome
phred wrote:
Mrs Kendall wrote:
phred wrote:
While I disagree with Rye over considering cannibal corpse "music" she has a point.
:lol: Rye is a guy.

Hey Rye, your avatar has managed to confuse a noob :lol:
Sorry about that Rye.
As for the Cannibal Corpse thing, when you start puking on yer microphone it ceases being music to me.
Er, why? If a composer like John Cage or Pierre Schaffer qualifies as a musician while making some seriously abrasive, dissonant work, why wouldn't Cannibal Corpse? Or are you just saying you don't like them, not that they aren't making a priori music?