Phaser Rifle Designs (photshoped)

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-15 10:26pm

Several years ago I decided to have some fun with photoshop seeing what I could do to improve the phaser designs.

This is what I had to work with from the star.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... Rifles.jpg

That was combining the pieces of three weapons. I wasn't very satisfied so I tried something else.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-1.jpg

I had been working on another design and I decided to try using the same components in this one. Ultimately I decided to remove the STANAG from the rifle.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-2.jpg
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-3.jpg
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-4.jpg
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-5.jpg

I tweaked the pistol grip giving the user much more room to play with. The earlier version was to small. I also added iron sights.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg

Initialy I didn't care much about this design, but after suggestions from others I decided to modify it with a retracting stock. Little did I realize, Chris O'Farrell would take and massively improve the design and inspire the M23.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-1.jpg
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-2.jpg

Chris made what you see there, though I added the STANAG clip as a test.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... ariant.jpg

Tested the M4 rectracting stock. Chris asked me if I would eventualy replace every part on the gun and recreate an M4.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... 4_Test.jpg

Removed clip and stock, reverted similar to original design but with the improved iron sights.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-5.jpg
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-6.jpg

Fixed up the grip and trigger guard.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-7.jpg

Two final versions. Cleaned up the picture and pointed out the design ideas.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... ariant.jpg

I wanted to create a SMG and use the idea of two pistol grips to hold it. This is what I ended up creating. Kinda borrowed ideas from the P90 and the MP5K.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-1.jpg

Replaced stock with retracting stock for more variable use. Final version
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg

After having finished these designs I elected to work on the original Type-3 from TNG to see if I could improve the design any.

Original
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... gtype3.jpg

Added a stock, moved the grips forward, added trigger guard, and moved the sight forward.
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... pe-3-1.jpg

Comments, suggestions, death threats?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-05-16 02:05am

Great job, those look truly superior to anything in the show. I particularly like the P90'ish sub-machine gun (why the fuck didn't the Feddies ever think of designing something like that?) and the improved rifle stocks. You should be proud.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-16 07:00pm

Come on, a LOT of you have viewed this thread. Lets see some comments.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-05-16 07:56pm

i like this one.

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg

can i use it as a reference for a gun for my 3D mech?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-16 08:28pm

salm wrote:i like this one.

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg

can i use it as a reference for a gun for my 3D mech?

Feel free. Thats the M21 Carbine. Same power cell setup as the M23, but with a smaller reaction chamber in the barrel, it can't put out as much firepower. It also has an inferior stabilizer system so it can't reach targets quite as far.

M21-A2/A3 Pulse Phaser Carbine

Velocity: 1200 meters per second
Range with scope: 700 meters
Range with stabilization & scope: 1100 meters
Range with Iron Sites: 300 meters
Range with Auto Fire system: 2000 meters
Rate of fire: 21 rounds per second
Rate of fire Auto Fire system: 3 rounds per second

M23-A3 Pulse Phaser Rifle

Velocity: 1200 meters per second
Range with scope: 700 meters
Range with stabilization & scope: 2000 meters
Range with Iron Sites: 300 meters
Range with Auto Fire system: 2400 meters
Rate of fire: 21 rounds per second
Rate of fire Auto Fire system: 3 rounds per second

M-19-A3 Phaser Sub Machinegun

Velocity: 900 meters per second
Range with scope: 500 meters
Range with Iron Sites: 300 meters
Range with Auto Fire system: 1400 meters
Rate of fire: 30 rounds per second
Rate of fire Auto Fire system: 5 rounds per second

Sensor System: Each weapon has a built in sensor system that acts as both a scope and a auto targeting system for the weapon. It scans out ahead of the weapon and identifies targets through a variety of means. Even if it is incapable of actively detecting targets it provides visual information for the soldier through UV, IR, NVG, distance enhancement, and lifescan means. It displays this information either in the scope or directly inputs it into the soldiers combat visor.

Stabilization System: This is a system that stabilizes a weapon, even in the hands of a soldier, so that it can be fired accurately at even longer ranges. When used in the rifles and carbines, this greatly enhances the accuracy ranges the soldier can fire at. When in use on tripod and bipod weapons this system allows a soldier to fine-tune his accuracy at greater ranges by keeping the weapon on a steady mount and adjusting the movement scales depending on range so the soldier can accurately rake fire through the enemy at extended ranges. It should be noted that use of the stabilization system has a noticeable drain on the power cell.

Auto Fire System: This is one of the more deadly systems in use. All SMGs, Carbines, and Rifles have partially directional emitter points that are control by the sensor system. The rifle goes into automatic mode and it automatically detects enemies and fires at individual targets and continues to change targets. When used by Tripod weapons, this turns the weapon effectively into a sentry weapon. Motor controls will aim the weapon directly, and the weapon will automatically track targets and rake fire through masses of soldiers. It should be noted that the auto fire system cannot fire at full refire rates on any weapon.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-05-16 08:53pm

It can mount Rocket Propelled Grenades?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-16 09:01pm

Yep, a side mounted single use RPG can be attached.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-05-17 01:22am

Alyeska, I bet you alone could turn around the problems with the UFP, Klingon, etc militaries on your own.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-05-17 01:48am

First link looks pretty much like the ones in the show to me. But the others are way better.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-17 10:18am

Well this is interesting. Some how the entire order of the pictuers is off.

The top one should be on the bottom, and the rest should be shifted up one level.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-05-17 05:38pm

I think the stock stocks (ha) are kinda ugly, but your final retractable stock is quite pleasing to the eye. I like the final builds a lot.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-19 12:32am

Ok, I've started work on a "new" phaser. I took the Assault Phaser from ST5&6 because it had a nice military feel to it. Well lets see if I can improve on it.

Here is the original
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... iginal.jpg

And here is what I have done so far
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-2.jpg
I took and moved the whole barrel assembly forward. This gives the weapon a more elongated look as well as a more traditional firearm type look. It also makes aiming the weapon easier (working the the issue of sights). The second thing I did was take the exposed section of the magazine and removed it. All you can see is the end of the energy magazine. This makes it less suseptible to damage and streamlines the whole design even more.

My next task is to try and put a trigger guard without making it look fake. I will keep the original trigger for now. After that, I am thinking about putting a forward sight attachment below the barrel. Possibly a laser or some other iluminator. Last of all I want to modify the top of the gun to give it iron sights while still keeping the general shape of the gun.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-05-21 10:25pm

Excellent work. Now what the Federation needs is an LMG equivilent...

Deathstalker · Post by **Deathstalker** » 2004-05-21 11:14pm

If I could make a suggestion on the rifles, you might want to round out the trigger guard, allowing for the bulky gloves of EVA suits. Or you can just say the guard is removable.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-05-22 03:29pm

Well, you asked for it...
-Type III Phaser rifle
As the thing has a scope I assume it is meant to be fired from the shoulder.
In that case, either move the forward vertical grip way forward or remove it for a standard handguard. The way it is now, it would be very uncomfortable to hold.
-M19 Phaser SMG
Same deal. Drop either the forward pistol grip or the stock. The close grips are good when firing from the hip but NOT from the shoulder. I don't see how you can move the forward pistol grip or standard handguard far enough without moving it forward of the emitter. Technically I see no neccessary problem (any idea on waste heat from the pulses?), but I assume it would look pretty odd.
Hell, it's your rifle.
-All except the assault phaser
I would recommend adding a mechanical or at least semi-mechanical trigger a la the assault phaser. The sensor triggers your designs indicate are awfully either/or in my opinion, and your trigger guards are to large to put your index finger alongside it.
If that's just artistic license or lazyness, ignore this.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-26 12:48am

Batman wrote:Well, you asked for it...
-Type III Phaser rifle
As the thing has a scope I assume it is meant to be fired from the shoulder.
In that case, either move the forward vertical grip way forward or remove it for a standard handguard. The way it is now, it would be very uncomfortable to hold.
-M19 Phaser SMG
Same deal. Drop either the forward pistol grip or the stock. The close grips are good when firing from the hip but NOT from the shoulder. I don't see how you can move the forward pistol grip or standard handguard far enough without moving it forward of the emitter. Technically I see no neccessary problem (any idea on waste heat from the pulses?), but I assume it would look pretty odd.
Hell, it's your rifle.
-All except the assault phaser
I would recommend adding a mechanical or at least semi-mechanical trigger a la the assault phaser. The sensor triggers your designs indicate are awfully either/or in my opinion, and your trigger guards are to large to put your index finger alongside it.
If that's just artistic license or lazyness, ignore this.

Can you show me which designs your talking about? Like repost this with the picture links under each section.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-26 01:28am

Excellent images. The weapons look great.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-05-26 04:29pm

@Alyeska:

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... pe-3-1.jpg
As the thing has a scope I assume it is meant to be fired from the shoulder.
In that case, either move the forward vertical grip way forward or remove it for a standard handguard. The way it is now, it would be very uncomfortable to hold.

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg
Same deal. Drop either the forward pistol grip or the stock. The close grips are good when firing from the hip but NOT from the shoulder. I don't see how you can move the forward pistol grip or standard handguard far enough without moving it forward of the emitter. Technically I see no neccessary problem (any idea on waste heat from the pulses?), but I assume it would look pretty odd.

As for the trigger issue, that goes for all of your designs except the assault phaser.
As none of them shows a visible trigger, I assumed you intended them to use a sensor of some kind (pressure switch, IR, miniature touchscreen, whatever).
I consider this a safety hazard, as explained above.
If you simply forgot to draw triggers, ignore this.
This better?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-05-26 04:49pm

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-2.jpg
I took and moved the whole barrel assembly forward. This gives the weapon a more elongated look as well as a more traditional firearm type look. It also makes aiming the weapon easier (working the the issue of sights).

How about making it dot aimed and/or saying that the top beyond the site is hollow or holed so you have a little straw hole to aim through

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-27 11:37pm

Batman wrote:http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... pe-3-1.jpg
As the thing has a scope I assume it is meant to be fired from the shoulder.
In that case, either move the forward vertical grip way forward or remove it for a standard handguard. The way it is now, it would be very uncomfortable to hold.

Interesting design ideas. I will have to seriously consider that.

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg
Same deal. Drop either the forward pistol grip or the stock. The close grips are good when firing from the hip but NOT from the shoulder. I don't see how you can move the forward pistol grip or standard handguard far enough without moving it forward of the emitter. Technically I see no neccessary problem (any idea on waste heat from the pulses?), but I assume it would look pretty odd.

I am not sure that is going to be such a problem. After looking at MP5Ks, MP5Ns with forward vertical grips, and MP7s with the forward grip extended, there are several SMG type weapons out there with the forward grip relatively close to the pistol grip.

As for the trigger issue, that goes for all of your designs except the assault phaser.
As none of them shows a visible trigger, I assumed you intended them to use a sensor of some kind (pressure switch, IR, miniature touchscreen, whatever).
I consider this a safety hazard, as explained above.
If you simply forgot to draw triggers, ignore this.
This better?

Actualy I never bothered with a trigger because the original designs never had them and I would have to "steal" a trigger from something and make it look realistic. I've thought about it, but thats a minor issue that doesn't affect the design.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-27 11:38pm

Mr Bean wrote:
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... uild-2.jpg
I took and moved the whole barrel assembly forward. This gives the weapon a more elongated look as well as a more traditional firearm type look. It also makes aiming the weapon easier (working the the issue of sights).
How about making it dot aimed and/or saying that the top beyond the site is hollow or holed so you have a little straw hole to aim through

I'm thinking about adding a holographic type sight or red dot scope sight on the top. Also I am going to add a laser below the barrel as well.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-05-29 05:34pm

Alyeska wrote:
http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v17 ... proved.jpg
Same deal. Drop either the forward pistol grip or the stock. The close grips are good when firing from the hip but NOT from the shoulder. I don't see how you can move the forward pistol grip or standard handguard far enough without moving it forward of the emitter. Technically I see no neccessary problem (any idea on waste heat from the pulses?), but I assume it would look pretty odd.
I am not sure that is going to be such a problem. After looking at MP5Ks, MP5Ns with forward vertical grips, and MP7s with the forward grip extended, there are several SMG type weapons out there with the forward grip relatively close to the pistol grip.

The MP-5K does not have a stock, it is designed purely to be fired from the hip, where this design is indeed very fast to bring to bear and can be held adequately. The problem arises when being fired with the stock extended from the shoulder. Your weapon, and the MP-7 from what I can tell, will be very uncomfortable to hold with the forward pistol grip. The folding grip of the MP-7 means it can at least serve as an almost-satisfactory standard handguard. The MP-5K has no stock thus the problem doesn't arise. The MP-5N is IIRC a collapsing-stock full size MP-5 meaning it will have the magazine where you put the forward pistol grip, meaning IT will have the forward pistol grip a lot further forward than your design. I'll admit I haven't found a pic of a double-grip MP-5N and may be wrong.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-05-30 12:45am

The MP5K has sights and is thus not to be fired from the hip; you'd be hard pressed to find something really designed to be fired from the hip.

The MP5K PDW had a side-folding skeleton stock.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-05-30 11:38am

The FBI HRT uses a MP5N with a forward vertical grip and they use it with the stock fully extended. It is a very comfortable and easy to fire weapon because of that forward grip.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-05-30 09:26pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The MP5K has sights and is thus not to be fired from the hip; you'd be hard pressed to find something really designed to be fired from the hip.

Erm-excuse me, just about every bloody firearm designed in the second half of the 20th century has sights, how exactly does that mean they're designed to be fired from the shoulder? I'll withdraw the 'purely' from my previous post because you would be correct in this regard, as sights would be useless there, but I'll maintain that the MP-5K was designed MAINLY to be fired from the hip, because that is the only stance where the forward handgrip in that posistion makes any sense.

The MP5K PDW had a side-folding skeleton stock.

Indeed. Your point being? We'll ignore that the MP-5K PDW never went into production, and instead ask how that invalidates the fact that the forward pistol grip is too far back to be held comfortably when fired from the shoulder...