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Nightwish Fires Singer Tarja Turunen

Posted: 2005-10-23 01:31pm
by Edi
Well, that was certainly a whammy. As the topic title says, Nightwish just fired their singer, Tarja Turunen, right after Finishing their End of an Era tour in Helsinki yesterday.

The statement on their website is as follows:
Nightwish.com wrote:Dear Tarja,

It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.

Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.

We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”.
I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.

You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.

You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.

In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.

We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.

Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.

Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.

It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!

We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.

This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.

All the best for your life and career,



Tuomas



Emppu Jukka Marco

Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.
Don't bother trying to go to the site right now, it's timing out all the time, probably due to heavy traffic. This was one of the leading stories in our evening news, and there will be a lot of people going there. Especially once it hits the wider world.

Edi

Re: Nightwish Fires Singer Tarja Turunen

Posted: 2005-10-23 03:01pm
by Temjin
Nightwish.com wrote:And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only.
If you give a mouse a cookie...

That's probably what did it. With these kind of people, you have to take a hard line right from the beginning. Otherwise, they'll get it in their head they can do the prima donna shit when ever they want.

I don't much like the band myself (I thought the music and female vocalist was fine, but the male backup singer made me want to rip my ears off), but I have a friend who'll be very upset with this.

Posted: 2005-10-23 06:11pm
by Zadius
She's going to be difficult to replace. She has a great voice and it just won't sound the same without her. :cry: I guess they did what they had to do, though. A band doesn't work well if they are not all on the same page.

I hope they choose another female vocalist. There are only two bands I listen too that have female vocalists (Nightwish and Sinergy); metal bands with a female voice are rare.

Posted: 2005-10-23 07:58pm
by Kuja
Well shit. This sucks. :?

Posted: 2005-10-23 08:22pm
by Pick
I just saw this on my friend's livejournal. I am, honestly, crushed... their music's some of my favorite. This just... completely sucks. :(

Posted: 2005-10-23 10:38pm
by Metatwaddle
Zadius wrote:I hope they choose another female vocalist. There are only two bands I listen too that have female vocalists (Nightwish and Sinergy); metal bands with a female voice are rare.
I agree. It says they're getting another female vocalist, though.

And yeah, this sucks.

Posted: 2005-10-23 10:42pm
by lPeregrine
I couldn't believe it seeing the title... this is definitely sad news. With the singer and the songwriting talent divided, I doubt whatever result comes out of this is going to match the old style and quality I liked so much. I guess we can just hope they can find a good replacement, but I wouldn't bet much on it.

Posted: 2005-10-23 11:31pm
by Exonerate
Boo... That sucks. I'm sorry to hear it has come down to this - I hope they find a good replacement.

And I bet this won't even get mentioned in the US news at all.

Re: Nightwish Fires Singer Tarja Turunen

Posted: 2005-10-24 12:52am
by Stormbringer
Edi wrote:Well, that was certainly a whammy. As the topic title says, Nightwish just fired their singer, Tarja Turunen, right after Finishing their End of an Era tour in Helsinki yesterday.
Damn, there goes that band. That's a real fucking shame because she was one of the best things about Nightwish and with out her... Well, they won't be nearly as distinctive musically. It's a damn shame because they really won't be the same as they were.

It's sad to see it but it looks like something really imploded. I know they were having it a bit rough but to see it explode, and in such a manner. I'm sure there will be a lot more coming out here on how this went down, why, and what the aftermath is.

Damn shame, a real damn shame.

Posted: 2005-10-24 12:54am
by Stormbringer
Exonerate wrote:Boo... That sucks. I'm sorry to hear it has come down to this - I hope they find a good replacement.

And I bet this won't even get mentioned in the US news at all.
Why? Nightwish is at best a cult band here. I love them but they're definitely European.

Posted: 2005-10-24 01:04am
by Spetulhu
It shouldn't be too hard to find a replacement vocalist. The songs work with operatic style, but it's not really needed. And when it comes to a choice between songwriter and singer, I'm all for having good songs. With Nightwish it's usually the guitars I whistle to, not the vocals.

Check out Therion. This is a band that has me singing along with the lyrics, but they don't have any permanent opera vocalists. They have no problem recruiting half a dozen mercenary opera singers for their records and tours. Why would Nightwish fail in getting one?

Posted: 2005-10-24 01:57am
by Edi
It's just a matter of (probably only a short) time before they'll be back in business. Tarja Turunen does not have as unique a voice as some people have made it out to be. She's a good singer, but not irreplaceable. Hell, in the currently ongoing Idols round here (our equivalent of American Idol) one Polish immigrant girl who just got into the finals sounds uncannily like Tarja, same rich voice, same style of singing, and damn if she didn't even look a lot like her.

This was big news here yesterday, one of the main topics in every single one of our four evening news programs (the 6 pm, 7 pm, 8.30 pm and 10 pm news broadcasts), and the way it was handled, and what Tuomas Holopainen said in the interviews together with the contents of the letter make it clear that the band is not going anywhere. This is going to cause a public relations shitstorm, but no more than that.

Edi

Posted: 2005-10-24 02:17am
by Stormbringer
Edi wrote:It's just a matter of (probably only a short) time before they'll be back in business. Tarja Turunen does not have as unique a voice as some people have made it out to be. She's a good singer, but not irreplaceable. Hell, in the currently ongoing Idols round here (our equivalent of American Idol) one Polish immigrant girl who just got into the finals sounds uncannily like Tarja, same rich voice, same style of singing, and damn if she didn't even look a lot like her.
You might be suprised at how difficult it is. There's reason people go through a lot of training to get to be that good. And just because some one can get there doesn't necessarily mean they'll be interested, fit in, or life in a metal band well. The number of bands that have imploded for the loss of less talent than her is quite long.

That's not to say that Nightwish is dead. I believe it when they say that they'll go on. A lot of bands do. But that doesn't mean it won't be a major blow and that the band won't lose anything. They said it best:
In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.
I dare say it's going to hurt them, and probably hurt bad.

Posted: 2005-10-24 04:25am
by Tiriol
I remember that I talked about this incident with my friends yesterday. We were not sure if it was true or not, since one of us had gotten a text message from his girlfriend who had heard the news from someone else, so we were skeptical about it. But at the earliest opportunity, the ungrateful bastards leaped at my computer and checked it out on Internet (we were in the middle of D&D, that's no time to care about Nightwish :D ) and the story was true. It was a bit of shock.

I have not myself cared much for their music, although it is quite good. I remember some old news which stated that Tarja and the rest of the band had some differences in opinions, but that's about it (but I must admit that I don't follow news about music world much). But still, Tarja's voice was not that good that it could not be replaced, but it will be hard and fans will, no matter what, compare the new female vocalist's voice to Tarja's. It won't be easy for her.

Wasn't there a concert scheduled in which Nightwish should have participated in the near future? I wonder what they are going to do about it now...

Posted: 2005-10-24 11:24pm
by Macross
Most Unfortunate.

I only discovered Nightwish a little over a year ago. They are one of the few bands that I can personally relate too. I hope the band will be able to overcome this developmentt.

Posted: 2005-10-25 02:04pm
by Edi
Macross wrote:Most Unfortunate.

I only discovered Nightwish a little over a year ago. They are one of the few bands that I can personally relate too. I hope the band will be able to overcome this developmentt.
Doesn't look much like it, if the TV interviews on Sunday were anything to go by. Tuomas Holopainen and the others seem to have made up their minds. They weren't happy about it, but did it because they felt they had to.

Tarja Turunen has made an initial reply to the public on her website:
Tarjaturunen.com wrote:Since last Sunday morning, I have been asked to express my position by magazines, newspapers, radio and TV stations, fan clubs and fans from Finland and from all over the world. So many in total that it is physically impossible for me to find the time to reply to them all individually. Hence I decided to put down a couple of words in this text to let my fans, family and friends and the public know how I feel after the recent events.

This is a moment of grief and pain and I find it very hard to speak.

At the moment I am in Argentina. I hope you can understand that after this shocking life change comparable to a divorce, I didn’t want to stay alone at home in Finland. My husband had booked his tickets to Argentina many months ago and I decided to travel with him at the last minute.

But the fact that I am in Argentina and the long distance should of course not be an excuse not to comment on the situation.

Last Friday 21st of October was a day the whole band had been waiting for a long time.

Practice started early in the morning. I was very sick and nervous because of the fact that I was not even able to sing during the rehearsals.

Also nervous because the concert programme was going to be longer than usual for a Nightwish concert. Furthermore we were going to have a special guest to perform with us, more wardrobe changes for myself than usual and for the first time big screens and bigger production on stage.

Not to forget that the concert was going to be recorded and filmed.

The five of us had finally made it to play Hartwall Arena.

Even though every one of us knew in advance that the concert was sold out, finally on stage, we saw that screaming, applauding and standing people took every seat. The feeling was unbelievable.

I will never forget how amazing it was to experience the Finnish audience’s gorgeous reception.

When the concert was over, I cried of happiness on stage. Happy tears because I was able to do my best as always even though I was sick. Happy tears because our long tour got the greatest possible ending and happy tears because of the best recognition an artist can get: applause and smiling faces.

At that moment I didn’t know that I was going to cry again soon.

After the concert, the guys of the band invited me backstage to join them and asked me to hug altogether. This felt strange as it was the same kind of hug we traditionally came together for before every concert. That tradition remained between us, even though the tension and increasing pressure already existed since a long period of time.

The immediate feeling in me was to thank them, which I did loudly but without any reply.

After this, they gave me a letter and asked me to read it the following day. The same letter that is now public.

I read it and was shocked.

I didn’t know what to say and still at the moment that I am writing these lines, I don’t.

I sense great anger in that letter and I continue to have very confused feelings about it, but I don’t want to reply to this anger with an even greater anger. Private matters should never be taken to the public.

I know this moment we are going through is very sad for everybody, including the guys.

While there would have been so many different possibilities and ways to express what they wanted to tell me with the letter, I remain unable to understand the way they chose to handle this. I am sorry that the guys got me so wrong. I don’t recognize myself at all from the way they described me.

They mentioned mean things about me, but the fact that they involved Marcelo, my husband, crossed the line. He is the man I love, my friend and has been my biggest support over the last years.

We have been band mates for 9 years, experienced good times and not so good ones. I thought I knew them, but I was wrong.

Still everything that has happened is not enough to make them evil in my eyes.

Now comes a time to calm down and reflect upon all of this.

I need to put my feelings together again and I promise to come back to public soon.
I will announce a press conference where I will be talking about my future plans. This doesn’t mean that you should expect this conference to be an instrument to attack anybody. It won’t.

The wonderful music we created together won’t be touched by recent events.

Thanks a lot to all the people who are supporting me during these sad times. My family, friends, colleagues, and the great number of fans. I love you and I really feel I have not failed you.

Tarja

Posted: 2005-10-25 05:21pm
by Arrow
Actually, I'm glad to see her go. I have several of Nightwish's albums, but I have listened to them for while, simply because I'm tired of her voice. Nightwish has some great music and some real talent, and I can't seeing replacing her being too hard of a task (it doesn't look like she was the band's creative genius). I'm looking forward to see who they get for the female vocals.