How powerful were the Husnock?

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-13 08:35am

I saw an episode of TNG the other day that mentioned there was a race called the Husnock. A powerful being killed them all as punishment for destroying his colony and wife. He said that they had hideous intelligence and that there were billions of them (15 or 50 billion?)

They were obviously aggressive since they destroyed a fed colony, but how big were they? How many ships did they have and were they about to invade the federation? And what did they look like?

Would they have won?
Also, what happened to that powerful being, is it still on the colony?

Wired_Grenadier · Post by **Wired_Grenadier** » 2004-07-13 09:05am

The being remained voluntarily in Federation custody after his deceit had been uncovered. As for the Husnok really being extinct, well, for that we only have the word of a notorious liar - they might still be around.

And the they were supposedly 50 billion of them. They considered Delta Rana part of their territory.

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-13 10:00am

Are there no other references like from a novel or something?

Wired_Grenadier · Post by **Wired_Grenadier** » 2004-07-13 10:42am

Not that I know of, but then there are others who are more well-read in the ST universe. Alyeska is a good source, I'd say.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-07-13 11:20am

Honestly, the Husnock may have never existed. Certainly this is the only time they were ever mentioned in all of Star Trek history.

We have only the word of a self-styled "immortal being of disguises and false surroundings" that Husnock attacked the Rana IV colony. The entire story could be something that the Dowd (if that's what his race is really called) cooked up to mislead Picard and the crew of the Enterprise. I find it a little difficult to believe that a being as old and powerful as the Dowd seemed to be would handle the Husnock and the Enterprise as clumsily as the episode ("The Survivors") implied.

If we take the word of "Kevin Uxbridge", the Husnock were apparently very powerful and advanced technologically but not very numerous. Perhaps they were prone to internal conflict, which kept them from expanding their territory much.

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-13 01:16pm

I heard him say that he killed 15 (or was it 50) billion Husnock, so i'm not sure why you said there were few of them.

So they are never mentioned again? Well the space that the Husnock lived in is prime for federation colonization so its a shame that it wasn't expanded on. IF they ever existed that is

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-07-13 03:09pm

Allbran_Sustain wrote:I heard him say that he killed 15 (or was it 50) billion Husnock, so i'm not sure why you said there were few of them.

The current estimated population of the Earth is over 6 billion, so their entire civilization consists of less than ten times the population of one twentieth-century planet (possibly less than three times the population of Earth today). That doesn't seem to be a lot for an interstellar empire.

Allbran_Sustain wrote:So they are never mentioned again? Well the space that the Husnock lived in is prime for federation colonization so its a shame that it wasn't expanded on. IF they ever existed that is

Assuming the Husnock civilization was real, why would Husnock space be "prime" for Federation colonization? We know nothing of their physiology; for all we know Husnock-settled planets are incapable of supporting human life.

Sidious · Post by **Sidious** » 2004-07-13 03:14pm

Allbran_Sustain wrote:I heard him say that he killed 15 (or was it 50) billion Husnock, so i'm not sure why you said there were few of them.

When your talking about a galactic civilization, 50 billion is not a very large number. And considering the Enterprise had no record of the ship (assuming it actually was based on a real Hunsock vessel) the Hunsock apparently didnt make themselves well known. They could be nomadic, like the Hirogen.

So they are never mentioned again? Well the space that the Husnock lived in is prime for federation colonization so its a shame that it wasn't expanded on. IF they ever existed that is

The space the Hunsock lived in? We have no idea where there space is/was. The federation colony they supposedly attacked was described as "remote" though.

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-13 04:41pm

The current estimated population of the Earth is over 6 billion, so their entire civilization consists of less than ten times the population of one twentieth-century planet (possibly less than three times the population of Earth today). That doesn't seem to be a lot for an interstellar empire.

I agree that it is small for an interstellar empire, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a large amount of space within their empire with hundreds of planets. A few million people on each planet would be more than enough for mineral extraction and for maintaining military facilities.

Assuming the Husnock civilization was real, why would Husnock space be "prime" for Federation colonization? We know nothing of their physiology; for all we know Husnock-settled planets are incapable of supporting human life.

What I meant was that the resources the Husnock had would be available to the federedtion. Afterall, the Husnock must have had resources for them to be able to have ships (unless they could replicate their ships). Husnock space could have many riches. Even if the Husnock were physically different, there must be some worlds within their space that are suitable for one of the many species in the fed, not to mention planets suitable for terraforming. This is what makes it prime for the taking.

The space the Hunsock lived in? We have no idea where there space is/was. The federation colony they supposedly attacked was described as "remote" though

True, although the Husnock vessels appearence shows that their space must be nearby (unless it was a scout vessel which had been traveling for months).

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2004-07-13 08:44pm

Well if they were as menacing as the Dowud said they were it could be that they were fighting each other in their own solar system for quite some time.

I didn't see any nacelles. They had two red (presumebly) impulse engines in the back with a long horizontal light lavender/blue line above the two engines. In front of the ship, on the top half, there are two smaller lavender/blue lines that almost form an angle but do not connect. Not very much of a standard configuartion so (if they do exist ::puts on tinfoil hat:: ) they likely were isolated for a time and just then left home to expand *the final frontier*.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-07-13 08:54pm

Jeremy wrote:Well if they were as menacing as the Dowud said they were it could be that they were fighting each other in their own solar system for quite some time.

I didn't see any nacelles. They had two red (presumebly) impulse engines in the back with a long horizontal light lavender/blue line above the two engines. In front of the ship, on the top half, there are two smaller lavender/blue lines that almost form an angle but do not connect. Not very much of a standard configuartion so (if they do exist ::puts on tinfoil hat:: ) they likely were isolated for a time and just then left home to expand *the final frontier*.

not all vessels need to have external warp nacelles. Cardassian, Kazon/Trabe, and Suliban vessels are notable examples.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-07-14 10:36am

Allbran_Sustain wrote:
The current estimated population of the Earth is over 6 billion, ...
I agree that it is small for an interstellar empire, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a large amount of space within their empire with hundreds of planets. A few million people on each planet would be more than enough for mineral extraction and for maintaining military facilities.

I didn't say they couldn't be widespread; I said they apparently aren't numerous.

Allbran_Sustain wrote:
Assuming the Husnock civilization was real, why would Husnock space be "prime" for Federation colonization? We know nothing of their physiology; for all we know Husnock-settled planets are incapable of supporting human life.
What I meant was that the resources the Husnock had would be available to the federedtion. Afterall, the Husnock must have had resources for them to be able to have ships (unless they could replicate their ships). Husnock space could have many riches.

Husnock space, however large it is, probably isn't any richer than Federation space. The apparent difference between the Husnock and the Federation is technological, not environmental. You could build a ship as massive as the Husnock vessel using the resources of the Solar system if you had the technology; the Federation just doesn't have that technology.

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-14 10:47am

Husnock space, however large it is, probably isn't any richer than Federation space

Richer or not, it is still an area which may be exploited. Afterall, there is a dead border by the cardasians, a nuetral zone by the Romulans and the klingons wouldn't like any expansion into their territory, so all i'm saying is that it could be a nice new space to expand into and to exploit, simple as that.

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2004-07-14 10:57pm

"Kevin Uxbridge" claimed to have killed ALL Husnoch...EVERYWHERE.

He has reality warping powers not quite up to Q level, but good enough to create a plot of land, a house, and a WIFE...out of nothing.

Perhaps by "killing them all...everywhere" can mean he erased them from history...like the Krenim Imperium.

Thus, Husnoch territory belonged to someone else throughout history, as far as the rest of the galaxy remembers.

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-15 06:20am

Thus, Husnoch territory belonged to someone else throughout history, as far as the rest of the galaxy remembers

That could have been a possibility but I don't think it is what he meant. The reason being that if they were wiped from history (ie as if they never existed) then the attack on the colony would not have happened in the first place.