The Plot to save Star Trek

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-06 04:13pm

paladin wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
"Describe Captain Archer's personality."
What little personality he has makes him a BIG WEENY!

He doesnt have a personality....but he does have a beagle.....

BenRG · Post by **BenRG** » 2003-02-06 04:42pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:He doesnt have a personality....but he does have a beagle.....

I would prefer a beagle to an overblown personality any day.

Back on the topic: As much as I regret it, I'm afraid that Mike is right. Trek is tired now. It has been over-milked for too long. All the life and the wonder has drained out of it. I think that it can't be saved, at least in the short term. Maybe in another 15 years, someone will come along with a new set of ideas and re-launch the franchise, but I doubt it.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-02-06 07:06pm

Stormbringer wrote: It's still on the air isn't it? I don't know the ratings but they're still good enought to keep the show on air.

Not for long.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-02-07 02:21am

BenRG wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:He doesnt have a personality....but he does have a beagle.....
I would prefer a beagle to an overblown personality any day. :lol:

Back on the topic: As much as I regret it, I'm afraid that Mike is right. Trek is tired now. It has been over-milked for too long. All the life and the wonder has drained out of it. I think that it can't be saved, at least in the short term. Maybe in another 15 years, someone will come along with a new set of ideas and re-launch the franchise, but I doubt it. :(

Ahhhh, nooo! Let the damned franchise die already! I say Paramount should just cancel Enterprise and never make another movie. And for the sake of the imaginary god, they should do it while there's still a chance people will remember Trek more for TOS, some TNG and some DS9, rather than the miserable failure of Voyager and Enterprise.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-02-07 04:26am

Stormbringer wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:I don't think that's the case or Enterprise would tank.
It's not tanking?
It's still on the air isn't it? I don't know the ratings but they're still good enought to keep the show on air.

The only reason Boobyprise remains on the air is because Paramount props it up. Without the studio's pet network to keep the Franchise on life support, the show would vanish about as quickly as Space Rangers did back in '89.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-07 11:19am

Patrick Degan wrote:The only reason Boobyprise remains on the air is because Paramount props it up. Without the studio's pet network to keep the Franchise on life support, the show would vanish about as quickly as Space Rangers did back in '89.

The point is, Enterprise still draws enough people that they bother to keep it on the air. What they need to do is try to get the viewers back by making a quality show not crap.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-02-07 08:39pm

Master of Ossus wrote:"Describe Captain Archer's personality."

Think "balsa wood".

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-07 11:38pm

If I had the franchise under my power, that I could do anything I want and that my girlfriend/son/dog/whatever was begging me to produce a new movie, this would be the draft idea:

STAR TREK XI
One Last Battle
(or another cheesy title)

Synopsis:

The Milky Way will soon by destroyed by a fleet of planet-eating ships. The only way for the Federation to survive is to form an alliance with its former enemies. Borgs and Dominion fall to the onslaught. The only way Picard & Co can find to destroy the Beasts are blowing up whole star systems, but there is thousand of those ships, they eradicate life in the galaxy like locusts. The War for survival take many lifes. Earth is on the path of destruction. Will our Heroes save the day and defeat the army of mechanical monsters?

How should I frikking know?

Sample:
(after the opening credits)

We see a fleet of Borg cubes guarding a planet. The majority of them are damaged, with glowing scars on their hull. Suddendly, two Borg vessels begin to brake apart. As they explode, a huge ship is coming out of warp where the two cubes were. The Huge-Frikking-Ship (HFS) looks like a conical worm, its big maw irridescent (yeah, a Doom's Day Machine). The Borg attacks the HFS with all it has (big FX bonanza). After a couple of big explosions, the HFS is destroyed, but there is only a handfull of Borg left to defend the planet.

Simultaneously, 3 HFS come out of warp, destroy the remaining Borg, and begin to carve the planet like a rosted chicken. Behind them, a whole fleet of Doomsday ships arrive in the system and immediatly depart... (some fitting music is played in the background)

(transition to Earth orbit)

We see the blue planet in the blackness of space, then we hear the roar of a ship's engines, and the Enterprize-E pass in front of the camera while shooting her phasers at off-screen targets. Just behind the Enterprize, a Defiant-class ship is in pursue, firing pulse-phasers (rat-tat-tat-tat)
at the E-E aft.

In the Enterprize's bridge, sparks are flying from consoles, steam is coming from ruptured pipes (the work), a crewman is yelling to Captain Picard that the shield are failing (what's new?).

"Do we have some power left, Mr. Laforge?" Picard says in his comlink with a loud but firm voice.

"I can tap into the tertiary grid couplings. But it will only give a short burst, sir." says Geordi in Engineering.

"Make it so! Prepare to dump all you have in the warp engine. Helm, prepare for emergency warp. Tactical, arm all the torpedos presently in the launch tubes."

"But sir, the launching mechanizes are off-line!" says the wps officer (not Worf, but a blue faced man).

"Do as I tell you, it's an order!"

(on the attacker's bridge, reuse of the Defiant set)

Riker is sitting in the captain's chair, his ship is much less damaged than the Enterprize. Troi walks behind the chair, puts her arms around Riker's shoulders, a devilish smile on her lips.

"He got him exactly where I wanted him" says Riker (oh, another cheesy line).

On a secondary screen, Worf's face appears, with an excited grin.

"I have a solid lock on him with 2 Q-torps! Let's finish this!"

"You are right, it's time to end th..."

In the middle of Riker's sentence, the Enterprize disappear from the viewscreen. Riker is astonished, but before he can say anything...

(cut to exterior view of two Defiant-class ships side-by-side)

The Enterprize, coming out of warp behind the two ships, charges at high-speed at Riker's and Worf's ships. While rolling on herself, a dozen of torpedos are "ejected" from her launch tubes. The spaceship pass between the to surprised Defiants, taking some phaser blasts. The spread of inactive but not motionless torpedos explode around the two escort ships.

The viewscreen on Worf's vessel goes black as sparks flies all around the enraged Klingon.

"Aaarg" Word says as he smashes his armchair, "I can't believe it! He got us! HE GOT US!!!"

On board the first Defiant, Troy stands up, leaning on the captai's chair.

"Yes... The Captain still has his tactical skills." says Riker with a chuckle, "Computer, cancel the simulation protocoles for all ship's systems."

To Be Continued (when Hell freezes over)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-08 03:06pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:The only reason Boobyprise remains on the air is because Paramount props it up. Without the studio's pet network to keep the Franchise on life support, the show would vanish about as quickly as Space Rangers did back in '89.
The point is, Enterprise still draws enough people that they bother to keep it on the air. What they need to do is try to get the viewers back by making a quality show not crap.

Actually, its ratings are below those of other shows that have been cancelled, such as Firefly. It is kept on the air not by ratings, but by Paramount Executives for two reasons:

1) The franchise has name-brand value (yes, they think of it the same way business executives typically think of things like running shoe brand names), so they have confidence in its ability to rebound eventually.

2) Star Trek is not just a show; it's an industry, with diverse marketing and merchandising products from books to toys, clothes, etc. The persistence of the show is important to maintaining the continued credibility and commercial viability of this merchandising empire. In effect, some kind of Star Trek show is the symbolic tip of the iceberg of the Star Trek machine, and they need to keep it above water so the monolith will remain visible to the public.

If it weren't for these factors, Enterprise would have been cancelled by now.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-08 03:31pm

Star Trek killed Firefly. I no longer wish to save it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-08 04:57pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Star Trek killed Firefly. I no longer wish to save it.

Firefly died because Firefly didn't draw the numbers to justify it. That's all there is to it. Trek didn't "kill it".

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-09 03:42pm

closet sci-fi fan wrote:Are these war games with 2 actual Defiants and the E-E? And if so why would sparks being flying?

Just to explain what I wrote:

I was drunk, tired and I thought I was being funny. Some think they are intelligent or beautifull while drinking, me, it's the humor...

About the sparks and smoke in the bridge during this fake-ammo exercice, Starfleet is known to make there simulation as realistical as possible (fake smoke, fake sparks, fake acting).

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2003-02-10 12:43am

Fuck Star Trek. More B5, please. A revived Galactica series, please. Something that dosnt lick balls, please.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-10 12:59am

SolidSnake wrote:Fuck Star Trek. More B5, please. A revived Galactica series, please. Something that dosnt lick balls, please.

Legend of the Rangers: To Live and Die in Starlight had some problems. It did show promise though. Enough that I wish it had made it into a series.

As for another Star Trek movie. I hope some action that the Voyager crew did in the Delta Quadrant leads some badass alien species to come down on the Federation. So the Federation has to pull out whatever new technology they gained, outfit a bunch of warships and fight one last battle to save themselves. A big battle, a bunch of people die, and it's last one hurrah for ST before fading into nostalgia.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-02-10 02:01am

neoolong wrote:Legend of the Rangers: To Live and Die in Starlight had some problems. It did show promise though. Enough that I wish it had made it into a series.

Even with all its problems, the LOTR pilot is worth ten of the whole of Boobyprise from premier to the inevitable day the last traces of its slime trail evaporates into nothingness.