Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
Moderator: Vympel
Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
What if Q never sends USS Enterprise D into contact with a Borg Cube? USS Enterprise D had face that Borg Cube during Episode Q who. UFP never build Defiant class starship. How much worst shape the UFP would have been in during Dominion war if they did have Defiant class warship and possible other warship design thank Borg threat.
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
Starfleet knew of the Borg for quite a while. Q Who IMO, just gives the UFP intel that the Borg are closer than they thought AND for all intents and purposes the Borg were not public knowledge. Nevertheless they knew beforehand of the Borg's existence.JasonB wrote:What if Q never sends USS Enterprise D into contact with a Borg Cube? USS Enterprise D had face that Borg Cube during Episode Q who. UFP never build Defiant class starship. How much worst shape the UFP would have been in during Dominion war if they did have Defiant class warship and possible other warship design thank Borg threat.
Overall, no change, everything pretty much goes as is.
ASVS('97)/SDN('03)
"Whilst human alchemists refer to the combustion triangle, some of their orcish counterparts see it as more of a hexagon: heat, fuel, air, laughter, screaming, fun." Dawn of the Dragons
ASSCRAVATS!
"Whilst human alchemists refer to the combustion triangle, some of their orcish counterparts see it as more of a hexagon: heat, fuel, air, laughter, screaming, fun." Dawn of the Dragons
ASSCRAVATS!
- Darth Tedious
- Jedi Master
- Posts: 1082
- Joined: 2011-01-16 08:48pm
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
Are you referring to them meeting the Borg in ENT:'Regeneration'? I thought that was an alternate timeline caused by the Borg's temporal incursion in ST:FC (assuming the whole of ENT wasn't just Riker's holodeck program).Enigma wrote:Starfleet knew of the Borg for quite a while. Q Who IMO, just gives the UFP intel that the Borg are closer than they thought AND for all intents and purposes the Borg were not public knowledge. Nevertheless they knew beforehand of the Borg's existence.JasonB wrote:What if Q never sends USS Enterprise D into contact with a Borg Cube? USS Enterprise D had face that Borg Cube during Episode Q who. UFP never build Defiant class starship. How much worst shape the UFP would have been in during Dominion war if they did have Defiant class warship and possible other warship design thank Borg threat.
Overall, no change, everything pretty much goes as is.
"Darth Tedious just showed why women can go anywhere they want because they are, in effect, mobile kitchens." - RazorOutlaw
"That could never happen because super computers." - Stark
"Don't go there girl! Talk to the VTOL cause the glass canopy ain't listening!" - Shroomy
"That could never happen because super computers." - Stark
"Don't go there girl! Talk to the VTOL cause the glass canopy ain't listening!" - Shroomy
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
Didn't Voyager retcon things with the Hansen family mission?
lol, opsec doesn't apply to fanfiction. -Aaron
PRFYNAFBTFC
CAPTAIN OF MFS SAMMY HAGAR
PRFYNAFBTFC
CAPTAIN OF MFS SAMMY HAGAR
- Captain Seafort
- Jedi Council Member
- Posts: 1750
- Joined: 2008-10-10 11:52am
- Location: Blighty
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
Given that they had an accurate idea of what a Borg ship looked like about a decade before "Q Who?", yep. Ironically, for all that they avoided explicitly naming the Borg in "Regeneration", they might have been better off explicitly using it as the backstory to the Hanson's little jaunt.tim31 wrote:Didn't Voyager retcon things with the Hansen family mission?
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
No, I meant what Tim31 said. Hansen's knew about the Borg a long time before the events of Q-Who.Darth Tedious wrote:Are you referring to them meeting the Borg in ENT:'Regeneration'? I thought that was an alternate timeline caused by the Borg's temporal incursion in ST:FC (assuming the whole of ENT wasn't just Riker's holodeck program).
As for Regeneration, I don't think it was the alternate timeline. Those drones were from the wreckage of the Sphere that the E-E destroyed. Nevertheless, even though Starfleet at the time did not know they were the Borg, they should have any relevant info recorded into their computers and any wreckage left behind stored somewhere. Once Starfleet knew of the Borg they could have checked their archives and go "Oh shit they were here!" and begin some sort of research expedition to gather as much info on them as possible. Maybe this is where the Hansens come in?
ASVS('97)/SDN('03)
"Whilst human alchemists refer to the combustion triangle, some of their orcish counterparts see it as more of a hexagon: heat, fuel, air, laughter, screaming, fun." Dawn of the Dragons
ASSCRAVATS!
"Whilst human alchemists refer to the combustion triangle, some of their orcish counterparts see it as more of a hexagon: heat, fuel, air, laughter, screaming, fun." Dawn of the Dragons
ASSCRAVATS!
- Darth Tedious
- Jedi Master
- Posts: 1082
- Joined: 2011-01-16 08:48pm
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
Quite possibly. Although, the impressions given in TNG are that the Borg were definitely not well-known (Q Who), and that Starfleet made some pretty big preperations for their arrival (BoBW). Perhaps the Hansens were some of the very few who were aware of their existance before E-D's run-in with them.Enigma wrote:No, I meant what Tim31 said. Hansen's knew about the Borg a long time before the events of Q-Who.Darth Tedious wrote:Are you referring to them meeting the Borg in ENT:'Regeneration'? I thought that was an alternate timeline caused by the Borg's temporal incursion in ST:FC (assuming the whole of ENT wasn't just Riker's holodeck program).
As for Regeneration, I don't think it was the alternate timeline. Those drones were from the wreckage of the Sphere that the E-E destroyed. Nevertheless, even though Starfleet at the time did not know they were the Borg, they should have any relevant info recorded into their computers and any wreckage left behind stored somewhere. Once Starfleet knew of the Borg they could have checked their archives and go "Oh shit they were here!" and begin some sort of research expedition to gather as much info on them as possible. Maybe this is where the Hansens come in?
It's all most likely a big case of the retcons, and the Hansens fit in rather nicely...
EDIT: On the matter of the alternate timeline, I was referring to the alternate timeline caused by the sphere's attack. In the original timeline, Zephram Cochrane hadn't met the Enterprise crew, and didn't ask for the NX to be called Enterprise (which would explain why we didn't see any reference to it in any previous Trek, wherever there was an historical recount of ships named Enterprise) - again, a nifty retcon.
"Darth Tedious just showed why women can go anywhere they want because they are, in effect, mobile kitchens." - RazorOutlaw
"That could never happen because super computers." - Stark
"Don't go there girl! Talk to the VTOL cause the glass canopy ain't listening!" - Shroomy
"That could never happen because super computers." - Stark
"Don't go there girl! Talk to the VTOL cause the glass canopy ain't listening!" - Shroomy
- Themightytom
- Sith Devotee
- Posts: 2818
- Joined: 2007-12-22 11:11am
- Location: United States
Re: Did Q did the UFP favor during Q who
He also ended up on some planet with his little energy alien sex companion after trying to warp to the first Earth Colony that WASN'T Terra Nova right?Darth Tedious wrote:Quite possibly. Although, the impressions given in TNG are that the Borg were definitely not well-known (Q Who), and that Starfleet made some pretty big preperations for their arrival (BoBW). Perhaps the Hansens were some of the very few who were aware of their existance before E-D's run-in with them.Enigma wrote:No, I meant what Tim31 said. Hansen's knew about the Borg a long time before the events of Q-Who.Darth Tedious wrote:Are you referring to them meeting the Borg in ENT:'Regeneration'? I thought that was an alternate timeline caused by the Borg's temporal incursion in ST:FC (assuming the whole of ENT wasn't just Riker's holodeck program).
As for Regeneration, I don't think it was the alternate timeline. Those drones were from the wreckage of the Sphere that the E-E destroyed. Nevertheless, even though Starfleet at the time did not know they were the Borg, they should have any relevant info recorded into their computers and any wreckage left behind stored somewhere. Once Starfleet knew of the Borg they could have checked their archives and go "Oh shit they were here!" and begin some sort of research expedition to gather as much info on them as possible. Maybe this is where the Hansens come in?
It's all most likely a big case of the retcons, and the Hansens fit in rather nicely...
EDIT: On the matter of the alternate timeline, I was referring to the alternate timeline caused by the sphere's attack. In the original timeline, Zephram Cochrane hadn't met the Enterprise crew, and didn't ask for the NX to be called Enterprise (which would explain why we didn't see any reference to it in any previous Trek, wherever there was an historical recount of ships named Enterprise) - again, a nifty retcon.
The only way Trek even begins to make sense is if you assume that because of all of the temporal anomalies, time travels and what not, events in the timeline happen to evolve in the same order that the episodes are depicted, with the series Enterprise at the tail end of a long chain of temporal clusterfuck. The reboot movie had significant differences BEFORE Shinzon Nero arrived, because his future arrival stripped away a lot of temporal meddling. When he altered Kirk's future he might have pre-empted the trip back in time to meet Gary 7, the trip back in time to meet captain Christopher, the knowledge of HOW to travel back in time that allowed them to save the whales, and for all we know the federation of the 24th century never came together and there was no Janeway, Sisko or Picard to fuck around with the past, OR meet the borg, OR go back in time to meet the borg to have them send a signal with Earth's location that would alert future borg who just ran into the Enterprise D being flung across the galaxy and were curious as to how.
The whole mess unravels if you pull on any strings. if the Enterpise didn't meet the Borg in Q Who they might have continued on their merry way for another couple years until species 8472 kicked their ass. Because Picard never met them, they never assimilated him on his way to Earth, Sisko never graciously agreed to allow himself to be beaten in recognition of the long tradition of Starfleet's Saratogas and would not necessarily have made it to DS9 and kept the stations around long enough for the federation to feel comfortable dicking around in the badlands which without DS9 would presumably have become Cardassian space once more if not at the very least, a contested region of space with the bajorans getting kicked around by anyone who felt like stopping by.
"Since when is "the west" a nation?"-Styphon
"ACORN= Cobra obviously." AMT
This topic is... oh Village Idiot. Carry on then.--Havok