ST:FC bayonets scenario

FOG3 · Post by **FOG3** » 2003-06-26 04:41pm

I was watching ST:FC and realized one of the things these Red shirts with their pulse phaser rifles would really have benefitted from was bayonets. Amazingly one tried a horizontal buttstroke at one point of course he didn't mean it so it failed.

So here is the scenario/question. Before ST:FC the Enterprise-E's crew are all locked in the holodecks which proceed to malfunction in such a way as to seal their occupants inside and not allow the program to be changed. The program is essentially bootcamp from Hell using Federation weapons. They are drilled extensively in a drill of Long thrust, shock thrust, vertical buttstroke, and horizontal buttstroke. Upon being let out most of them go ahead and replicate/find a cache of bayonets that can be afixed to their rifles. Now would they have been able to repel the Borg incursion on their ship give bayonets and the training to use them?

One other question while I'm at it. When the Borg are hit in ST:FC the shield only appears around their torso. Does this mean the head is unshielded?

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-06-26 04:57pm

1) Blades r 2 barbaric for feddies.
2) Properly they do have head shields but the energy didn't hit them so we didn't seem them flash

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-06-26 05:00pm

Worf's blade chopped up a drone pretty well in FC so I would say that a bayonety attack would have a good chance of knocking or killing a drone. The Borg seem to be over specialized in their resistances - to energy and ebergy based attacks. Kinetic attacks are just as deadly to them as to us. Note in Descent, Data was able to snap the neck of a drone rather easily, no uberwank Borg shield popped up to save it.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-26 05:27pm

Stravo wrote:Worf's blade chopped up a drone pretty well in FC so I would say that a bayonety attack would have a good chance of knocking or killing a drone. The Borg seem to be over specialized in their resistances - to energy and ebergy based attacks. Kinetic attacks are just as deadly to them as to us. Note in Descent, Data was able to snap the neck of a drone rather easily, no uberwank Borg shield popped up to save it.

Physical attacks seem to be the Borgs weakness. Lets not forget Worf's buttstroke that killed a borg, and Data breaking the neck of the borg attacking Picard. Probably has something to do with the fact that they have to touch you to infect you with nanoprobes.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-26 06:23pm

Countless weapons could defeat the Borg. A bayonet certainly is one of them.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-06-26 07:39pm

Traditionally, a bayonet is more of a psychological weapon than a practial one. Few crowds will march on a group of soldiers with bayonets fixed, but in combat bayonets have a nasty tendancy to get stuck. A rifle butt to the head is usually just as deadly, with none of the attendant problems with bayonets.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-06-26 08:01pm

The bayonet would be far more effective than what they were using, but the possibility of its getting stuck or not killing the drone and thus leaving at arm's length of a drone can't be ignored.

I'd be more interested in seeing an ST:FC where the Borgs attacked the Klingon Empire instead, or a "temporal malfunction" which added a few dozen men from a pirate ship to the equation

Men armed with cutlasses and flintlock pistols against 24th century zombies?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-26 08:40pm

Howedar wrote:Traditionally, a bayonet is more of a psychological weapon than a practial one. Few crowds will march on a group of soldiers with bayonets fixed, but in combat bayonets have a nasty tendancy to get stuck. A rifle butt to the head is usually just as deadly, with none of the attendant problems with bayonets.

Nothing to extract a bayonet like shooting the person. Course that doesn’t work with phasers.

I'd be more interested in seeing an ST:FC where the Borgs attacked the Klingon Empire instead, or a "temporal malfunction" which added a few dozen men from a pirate ship to the equation Men armed with cutlasses and flintlock pistols against 24th century zombies?

Poor Borg. Better yet would be the Borg against a square of pike men. I wonder how many tens of thousands would stack up, unable to reach the defenders?

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-26 10:52pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Nothing to extract a bayonet like shooting the person. Course that doesn’t work with phasers.

Well it could if you then vaporised the dead borg.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-06-27 12:13am

I read a rumor in one of those Trek magazines that First Contact was originally meant to be titled Renaissance, and that they would be fighting the borg with old style weapons and such.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-06-30 02:02pm

Raxmei wrote:I read a rumor in one of those Trek magazines that First Contact was originally meant to be titled Renaissance, and that they would be fighting the borg with old style weapons and such.

That would be hilarious. Imagine Riker going after them with a brace of pistols and a rapier, or Worf in a suit of mail and a morning star

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-30 02:12pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Raxmei wrote:I read a rumor in one of those Trek magazines that First Contact was originally meant to be titled Renaissance, and that they would be fighting the borg with old style weapons and such.
That would be hilarious. Imagine Riker going after them with a brace of pistols and a rapier, or Worf in a suit of mail and a morning star

Would have been much more effective I think.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-06-30 05:36pm

Screw bayonets, they stick in place.

Get a bunch of swords without edges and just beat them down. Like a Scottish claymore. Overhand swing on of those and crush the Borg's skull.

Actually, you have to wonder, the TR-117 rifle (the sniper/assassin rifle), was it really designed as a sniper weapon, whatever reason they said, or is it a secret weapon for dealing with the borg?

I'd give every ship in the Federation 100 of them and say: if Borg board your ship, and go watch 10 minutes of Rambo 3 in the holodeck. Off course, Ramboo 3 replaces the russians with Borg so the Federation crews 'get it'