Yesterday's Enterpise: Why were the Klingons winning?

[Simon_Jester]

[twitches]

English motherfucker do you speak it?

[lord Martiya]

Hey, it makes deflating their arguments funnier. Even more because I'm often criticized for my Italian-influenced grammar and yet I'm writing better...

Ah but you ignor fact that UPF needs mining too maek defiants and datas to win war so exocomps.

So, why they would waste resources for an untried mining technology AND its repairbots when they already have efficient and reliable ones for their needs? Tell me.

But also in war Dr soong will join UPF an be a PARTIOT to help federation and build Android MACOs.

Prove it. After all, there was just one Data on the Enterprise-D in that episode...

Defiant not failer because it beet dominon

The Defiant started out as a colossal failure due her being overgunned and overpowered for her size, nearly toring herself apart (Sisko's words) during her shakedown cruise. After a lot of work, it was successful, but would the UFP have the resources to make the failure a success?

Ah but UPF in battel culd do these they would try instead of peaseful exploring b e best starship battelers

Then why they failed to do so in the Dominion War?

Teh respeckt they had in origiial timline does not go away Worf help Picard leik his ansestor lawyer for Kirk.

They failed to even meet, in this timeline. In this timeline, Worf had been raised by Klingon to fight the Federation, not by humans to join Starfleet.

Eazy did u see epusode? They evolv fasterer than people in weeks they would elvolvs moar in order to maek Exocomp IIs Section 31 helps this.

I watched it, and they failed to evolve that fast. Also, you still have to prove me the Federation would spare the resources.

Becauz Picard gets them on there team.

And he does that HOW? He can't even speak with them...

Section 31 sekret MACOs and Exocomps won other battels in other spaeces just leik in my fanfic

Sorry, we're basing this on canon Trek, not your fanfic. And we have no canon evidence of MACOs in XXIV century nor evidence of mass-produced exocomps.

1. possible at least Enterprise came take area or stike enemy territory MACO seem advance of normal UFP security. Came hold ground UFP able job just fine. IF UFP limit number MACO might us kind commandos take areas leave either Gold shirts or normal foot soldiers hold. Smart commanders do not wast commandos jobs that normal foot soldiers can do the same job even if did little less effective.

Then where were the normal foot soldiers? After all, the Federation Security on AR-558 did an AWFUL job.

2. UFP might need else were some more important ground mission and maybe fighting beside Klingon behind enemy lines.

More important than finding out what the enemy was about to do?

3. It possible were used on AR-558 all died action duty before hero arrive or just show screen.

Against the Jem'Hadar? Improbable.

Also I want remind you that we known in TOS the UFP had MACO commandos thank fact we saw Colonel West Star Terk undiscovered country. How time Kirk used these kinds guys and did not have them. In Star Terk 5 rescue hostage these type guy want have around.

Yet, we never saw them around. And West was wearing a Starfleet uniform with a vice-admiral rank, so we don't even know why they called him a colonel.

As for fact UFP fleet arrived the Klingon fleet retreats also form what known Klingon Empire no match UFP. Worf open stated bother node Klingon Empire stand chance against UFP. As Romulan star Empire form what them resource issues own just back Klingon give supplies cival war hardly show much stronger anything weaker. By fact Romulan Star Empire must Dominion war fighting and heavy weaken last year war. Oda state Romulan no shape rage war anyone and after link talk Female shapshifter into surrendering. Showing UFP stronger Romulan star Empire and Klingon Empire put together since able basic walk right war still be full strength less few years UFP shape to prevent both Romulan Star Empire and Klingon Empire start war Dominion. Romulan depend on mining place call Remus.

Thanks for giving me another reason why the Romulans would covertly help the Klingon. After all, in this timeline the Klingon Empire was winning...

[HMS Sophia]

Hey Martiya, i'm pretty sure Fanboy is fucking with you.

JasonB on the other hand... yeah, he's just that shitty at writing.

[Darth Fanboy]

So, why they would waste resources for an untried mining technology AND its repairbots when they already have efficient and reliable ones for their needs? Tell me.

Becaz it is war so they will try it and it would be efficinter

Prove it. After all, there was just one Data on the Enterprise-D in that episode...

Only oen officer data per ship the rest are MACOs you dont see that is how it works in my fanfic

The Defiant started out as a colossal failure due her being overgunned and overpowered for her size, nearly toring herself apart (Sisko's words) during her shakedown cruise. After a lot of work, it was successful, but would the UFP have the resources to make the failure a success?

Oh yeqah then why it beat dominion

Then why they failed to do so in the Dominion War?

They not fail UPF win becaues better and smaretr and tuffer

They failed to even meet, in this timeline. In this timeline, Worf had been raised by Klingon to fight the Federation, not by humans to join Starfleet.

But when they oen day do meet it will be like they had known each oter for longst time and Worf will know wat is rite. (also ralated in my fanfic but proven in episode Outrajes Okona)

I watched it, and they failed to evolve that fast. Also, you still have to prove me the Federation would spare the resources.

Hahahaha you must haev got up for POPCORNS during part where exocomps evolver. They do go watch again.

And he does that HOW? He can't even speak with them...

He talk bout Gigamesh and then they frends

Sorry, we're basing this on canon Trek, not your fanfic. And we have no canon evidence of MACOs in XXIV century nor evidence of mass-produced exocomps.

Esept that in war section 31 can do watever we dont see it all but it is there and all my fanfic is from D9S way of teh warrior is skrpit must be true.

[Eternal_Freedom]

I don't know which is funnier, JasonB's appaling English or Df's pisstake thereof.

What's worrying is that DF talking like a retarded 2 year old actually makes more sense than JasonB does...

[HMS Sophia]

What's worrying is that DF talking like a retarded 2 year old actually makes more sense than JasonB does...

That's because he still uses sentence structure, for all his bad spelling, whereas JasonB appears to plug his sentences into a tumble dryer.

[Eternal_Freedom]

That's being unecessarily kind to him. He writes like, well, a retarded two year old who put his writing into a blender.

[Enigma]

That's being unecessarily kind to him. He writes like, well, a retarded two year old who put his writing into a blender.

No, you got it wrong. JasonB writes like a retarded two year old after putting his hands in the blender and used his big toe to press puree.

[lord Martiya]

Well, I don't know who of them writes worst, but is so bad I'm using my older dog as interpreter (she's easier to understand and has a gift for languages, at least in reading and understanding).

Becaz it is war so they will try it and it would be efficinter

But they don't have the resources to spare.

Only oen officer data per ship the rest are MACOs you dont see that is how it works in my fanfic

Well, this is not a fanfic. But are you telling me there's just one man that's supposed to man the ship? There is a reason if the crews are so big...

Oh yeqah then why it beat dominion

Because they had four years of time and resources to spare. Something they don't have in this timeline.

They not fail UPF win becaues better and smaretr and tuffer

And that explains how they failed to use clone armies in the Dominion War HOW?

But when they oen day do meet it will be like they had known each oter for longst time and Worf will know wat is rite. (also ralated in my fanfic but proven in episode Outrajes Okona)

They'd be 'worthy enemies' at best: Worf and Picard don't have Guinan's abilities. And The Otrageous Okona is just the episode where we have a Han Solo wannabee in Star Trek.

Hahahaha you must haev got up for POPCORNS during part where exocomps evolver. They do go watch again.

An exocomp just learn how to solve things. Exactly how I learned how to write decently in English. Are you saying I evolved?

He talk bout Gigamesh and then they frends

I repeat, why should he do that when he's too busy fighting the overwhelming Klingon fleets?

Esept that in war section 31 can do watever we dont see it all but it is there and all my fanfic is from D9S way of teh warrior is skrpit must be true.

Section 31 first appeared in Inquisition, AFTER The Way of the Warrior. Also, fanfics are not canon, or the Romulans would refer to themselves as Rihannsu on-screen.

[Enigma]

Well, I don't know who of them writes worst, but is so bad I'm using my older dog as interpreter (she's easier to understand and has a gift for languages, at least in reading and understanding).

You do know that DF is doing this on purpose? Pretending to act like JasonB?

[lord Martiya]

I noticed, but he's so good at being bad it's easier undestand a dog.

[NecronLord]

Thread title edited in the name of literacy.

[Batman]

Have we ever seen non-naval (modern day) ranks in TNG Trek though? Pretty much everybody is something a modern day navy would have (from Ensign to Admiral, with the occasional Yeoman thrown in).

[NecronLord]

Also. Fanboy; don't troll like that please.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Wasn't West described as being from special operations or somesuch? Maybe the "Colonel" rank is a traditional holdover from the odl days, maybe even the MACO's.

[JME2]

I do wonder what would have happened when Bajor joined up though. Would Major Kira still be a major once the militia is integrated with Starfleet (which the admiral said would happen, the integration)? Or would she be appointed to a new rank? Or automatically carry into a Lt Commander or whatever like she did in the last episode?

The DS9 relaunch books dealt with this after Bajor joined.

IIRC, the Militia is integrated into Starfleet, but allowed a large degree of autonomy in planetary security -- like Vulcan's V'Shar security department. Those wishing to transfer into Starfleet Security are trained and given the equivalent ranks.

Kira is given the commission of Captain and retains command of DS9 and the Defiant-A.

[JasonB]

Then where were the normal foot soldiers? After all, the Federation Security on AR-558 did an AWFUL job.

I hate put it this way but they did very effective job before Sisko and team arrive. 150 in 6 month able kill 107. Mine decloaking at least kill few UFP personal. Guessing one major fire fight happen every week lost something 2 soldiers a week. I personal believe ran out supplied mortar shells in something like 90 days . Also Sisko tactic seem put engineering crew and good doctor on fortlines we only see two UFP soldier fighting . One took few Jem Harder using phaser rifle as weapon before he get stab in the back other seem to have done fine job with his knife killing Jem Harder soldiers.

[Havok]

Also. Fanboy; don't troll like that please.

You mean magnificently?

[Batman]

While I have to agree he did do a magnificent job of aping JasonB's complete and utter lack of understanding the rules of the english language it got boring by about the third post. Everybody knows he's just aping JasonB, JasonB isn't going to get it anyway, so what's the point? Other than personal amusement, I guess, of which he should have gotten plenty

[NecronLord]

What he said. ^

But it's still a further lowering of the tone of debate round here.

[Darth Fanboy]

It's exactly as you say Necronlord, which is why my past efforts to ape JasonB have been geared towards drawing light to the problem that is Jason's posting, although I can't be sure if there isn't a legit disability at work and i'm being sincere, but i've been around him posting for a year now on the redone ASVS site and its strange no matter what the explanation is.

I never dreamed that someone would be so much of an oblivious tryhard to actually attempt to debate me doing this thinking it was sincere, it was an amazing run though. I thought for sure that using a nonexistent fanfic as a canon reference would put the nail in the coffin.

[Darth Fanboy]

Oh and because the "JasonDF" persona can't resist one last crack.

I noticed, but he's so good at being bad it's easier undestand a dog.

Dog easer undestand than ur mom lol

[Metahive]

[...]which is why my past efforts to ape JasonB have been geared towards drawing light to the problem that is Jason's posting[...]

JasonB already does that with every single post he unloads here. I have really a hard time assessing just what that guy's problem is. His posts reek of someone who doesn't speak English and is exclusively using babelfish or google translate but he's supposedly a native English speaker. The other thing is that he never actually debates anything, he just presents whatever mangled ideas are floating in his head, repeats it a few times if challenged and then moves on to the next topic. It seems he just regards this forum as his personal soapbox.

[Darth Fanboy]

Metahive, Enigma and I have been warning everyone that's what this guy does since he first signed up, as I said we have prior experience. Thus far it has been exactly as I predicted. You restating the obvious like the dweeb you are is almost as bad as Martiya and his quest to "dabate star trek".

[Metahive]

O it hurts me deeply that my posts don't have your approval, fanboy. I guess I have to work harder...or don't give a shit. Probably the latter. It's not like you're someone whose opinion has much weight with me after all.

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What's also great is that you're still nursing a grudge against me.