Why wait for DW's Analysis?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-29 02:00pm

Give it up, MoO. Darkling is just looking for excuses to gripe about me and distract himself from the horrible failure of Nemesis at the box office and B&B's successful campaign to marginalize Trek in the public eye.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-29 02:00pm

Darth Wong wrote:I see Darkling has nothing left in his bag but personal nitpick-attacks on me. Does he believe this accomplishes anything beyond making him look like a jack-ass?

Is that gearing up for a "Darkling contributes nothing to the board but useless flaming so lets ban him" thread?

I made a comment about it being obvious what you opinion of the film would be (which MOO just inadvertantly backed me up on) you then get bent out of shape about it, I respond that its is obvious and why you then say I know im lying (to which you later reverse you position) and carry on along this thread.

You just responded twice to one post of mine and you are making just as many personal attacks as I but of course you see yours as valid and mine as idiocy.

oh and of course I look like a jerk because I don't just roll over when you come out flaming.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-29 02:02pm

TheDarkling wrote:Is that gearing up for a "Darkling contributes nothing to the board but useless flaming so lets ban him" thread?

Oh please, crying persecution now? As I said, you're being an asshole; every post is an attempt to attack my character now. Have I said one word about trying to ban you? No, yet my character is under attack for it anyway. Typical of your behaviour lately.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-29 02:06pm

Darth Wong wrote:Give it up, MoO. Darkling is just looking for excuses to gripe about me and distract himself from the horrible failure of Nemesis at the box office and B&B's successful campaign to marginalize Trek in the public eye.

Why should I care about that, you are pulling out your lets paint himn as a typical trekkie because it gains me points trick.

I don't care that Nemesis failed at the box office and I'm not exactly surprised either, as for being annoyed as B&B sure I am but then again I have no love for the the SW PT and the creative mastrmind behind those.

MOO: You can say the scorpion king would suck because if its anything like the mummy yadda yadda I don't care all I was saying was Wong opinion of the film is obvious so why wait for his review (except for the wisecracks), you just agreed that going of wongs previous tastes to extrapolate his opinion on this film is valid.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-29 02:09pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Give it up, MoO. Darkling is just looking for excuses to gripe about me and distract himself from the horrible failure of Nemesis at the box office and B&B's successful campaign to marginalize Trek in the public eye.
Why should I care about that, you are pulling out your lets paint himn as a typical trekkie because it gains me points trick.

Pot calling the kettle black; I don't need "points", while you're pulling your broken-record "but everyone's so unfair to Trek!" crybaby whine.

You continue to act as though I've rendered an official opinion on this movie when I've really commented only on specific portions I'm aware of, and you seize upon off-hand comments as "evidence".

Waaaahhh, continue to cry in your milk some more, and continue to try distracting yourself from the decline of Trek some more. Poor baby.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-29 02:10pm

Wong if you believe my last few posts have been character attacks yet you haven't made any in this thread I must assuem we have a differing definition of character atack because as I see it you have attacked my character in this thread (all he does is nitpick and he is lying) just like I have attacked yours (he constantly misreads my posts then runs away once confronted with it) I think what im saying is correct just like you think what you are saying is correct.

Now unless this is actually going somewhere I'm going to scan the board before going to play civ 3.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-29 02:12pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Give it up, MoO. Darkling is just looking for excuses to gripe about me and distract himself from the horrible failure of Nemesis at the box office and B&B's successful campaign to marginalize Trek in the public eye.
Why should I care about that, you are pulling out your lets paint himn as a typical trekkie because it gains me points trick.

I don't care that Nemesis failed at the box office and I'm not exactly surprised either, as for being annoyed as B&B sure I am but then again I have no love for the the SW PT and the creative mastrmind behind those.

MOO: You can say the scorpion king would suck because if its anything like the mummy yadda yadda I don't care all I was saying was Wong opinion of the film is obvious so why wait for his review (except for the wisecracks), you just agreed that going of wongs previous tastes to extrapolate his opinion on this film is valid.

Darkling, I started this thread about Wong's ANALYSIS of the movie, not his review of it. His ANALYSIS of the movie is the entire point of the thread, and has little if anything to do with a review of the movie. An ANALYSIS of the movie is an analysis of the events of the movie, and an explanation of what he believes is going on, justifications for different technology, etc. For instance, if I say that a movie kicks ass, that is a review of the movie. If I look at a piece of technology from the movie, and explain it as well as I can, that is an ANALYSIS of the movie. Anderson's analysis combined both a review, and an analysis, but this is not necessary or even typical. This entire sub-thread, which has taken fully a page of material, is just a red-herring because it has nothing to do with the stated topic of discussion, or with the analysis of the movie.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-29 02:14pm

Of course you're not attacking me. You accused me of giving my opinion on the film without seeing it, based on my facetious off-hand comments and criticisms of specific portions which I am aware of, and then you accused me of trying to look for excuses to have you banned. Nothing personal. Suuuure.

I've had enough of this; you may continue wanking yourself off to your fantasies about horrid Trek persecution at your leisure; you won't fool anyone but yourself.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-29 04:14pm

TheDarkling wrote:Wong if you believe my last few posts have been character attacks yet you haven't made any in this thread I must assuem we have a differing definition of character atack because as I see it you have attacked my character in this thread (all he does is nitpick and he is lying) just like I have attacked yours (he constantly misreads my posts then runs away once confronted with it) I think what im saying is correct just like you think what you are saying is correct.

Now unless this is actually going somewhere I'm going to scan the board before going to play civ 3.

Darkling, do you think you're fooling anyone into believing you? Jeez, do you contribute anything anymore?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-29 11:12pm

Since DarkStar left, this kind of stuff is all Darkling seems to do.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2002-12-30 09:35pm

Well, I saw it last night. I swear my nephew made me go....

Anyway, I do have to say that, IMHO, it didn't suck as bad as "Insurrection".

But man, Trek fans deserved better than this. A SHAMELESS attempt to retell WoK with the TNG clan. If ONLY the film could have been THAT good, however. It just SAT there, Booooring scene after scene between the action. It made a laughing stock out of the E-E's fighting ability, AND of how "baaad" the Scimitar is.

Why do they piss on Worf so much in the TNG movies? The built him up with so much dignity and honor over on DS9, then in "Insurrection" he gets "Klingon zits", now in "Nemesis" he can't hold his liquor, he's embarassed on the bridge by the Captain, who alludes that Worf might be afraid of showing everyone his pee-pee at a traditional Betazed wedding.

How great a fighting ship is the E-E? Fucking pathetic. In one scene, its supposed to fire all phasers, and is so SLOW at doing it R2D2 could have avoided the barrage. It fired photon torpedoes at the Scimitar, who SLOOOOOOOOWLY maneuvered out of the way. Did the torpedoes home in and follow? NOPE. Let's hear no more about these guided torpedoes that once and for all DO NOT EXIST. Fuck, in ST6, (The only LEGITIMATE sequel to WoK) the Excelsior AND the E-A were able to target the cloaked warbird a smack it down. They couldn't do this in Nemesis.

How baaad is the Scimitar? Well, let me put it to you this way. It has a BIG picture window in the middle of it, which looks like it came out of a haunted house, especially when the Nosferat--- I mean, the Remans stand under it. Picard is able to fly a shuttle through it and it smashes just like a plate glass window, AND disrupted the cloak. Yup. Badass.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-02 03:07pm

In one message:

TheDarkling wrote:However if you want to stop hijacking this thread I'm willing to let it drop, so everyone can get back to intended purpose of the thread of course.

In response to Wong's reply:

TheDarkling wrote:However continue to quibble about it.

I think it's rather childish to end every messages with "BTW if you reply to this msg U R a moron". I'm a bit disappointed, a while back I thought you were a reasonable, mature person, but now I see that was an illusion that developed during the old DarkStar bashing debate were you admitted that you were wrong in defending DipShit. It seems that something changed afterwards, maybe you became "best friends" again, I dunno.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-02 03:19pm

I don't ever recall admitting I was wrong for defending Darkstar since all I said was don't dismiss his ideas out of hand something even MOO Darkstars most ardent foe agreed with.

I also don't recall being best friends with him either but meh whatever.

I also didn't say if you reply to this you are a moron I just said in the first instance I was willing to drop the issue and in the second that all was occuring was quibbling on definition.

I made a single comment which was justified and it devolved into sniping and myself being accused of being upset over Nemesis sine I couldn't possibly have a legtimate opinion

.

In truth though I don't really care what the people of the board think, if I did I would become a warsie and simply agree with everything the head pro wars people around here said.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-02 05:32pm

TheDarkling wrote:I don't ever recall admitting I was wrong for defending Darkstar since all I said was don't dismiss his ideas out of hand something even MOO Darkstars most ardent foe agreed with.

I also don't recall being best friends with him either but meh whatever.

Here you go. It's hard to believe that it's the same person posting as your later messages.

Darkstar Poll

I made a single comment which was justified and it devolved into sniping and myself being accused of being upset over Nemesis sine I couldn't possibly have a legtimate opinion .

Hm maybe on the other hand it's the whole :rolleyes: thing that's getting on my nerves. That could be the reason every single post of yours is annoying to everyone.

In truth though I don't really care what the people of the board think, if I did I would become a warsie and simply agree with everything the head pro wars people around here said.

How's that called... slippery slope right? Either you're an asshole and take every opportunity at character attacks and snipes at people in this board, OR you are a boot-licker and give handjobs to all the warsies.

Captain Jack Frank · Post by **Captain Jack Frank** » 2003-01-02 05:37pm

TheDarkling wrote:I don't ever recall admitting I was wrong for defending Darkstar since all I said was don't dismiss his ideas out of hand something even MOO Darkstars most ardent foe agreed with.

I also don't recall being best friends with him either but meh whatever.

I also didn't say if you reply to this you are a moron I just said in the first instance I was willing to drop the issue and in the second that all was occuring was quibbling on definition.

I made a single comment which was justified and it devolved into sniping and myself being accused of being upset over Nemesis sine I couldn't possibly have a legtimate opinion .

In truth though I don't really care what the people of the board think, if I did I would become a warsie and simply agree with everything the head pro wars people around here said.

Wait, why are you guys dismissing another guys claims out of hand? Who's DarkStar and why shoudl I not listen to him? Shouldn't I get to see who he si and what he says first, and then make an opinion based on what I see he says?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-02 05:53pm

Seems like a fair amount of his comments were lifted directly out of this forum: The complaints about the language describing the amount of radiation, the volume to surface area, the comments on where were Sela and Spock.

Though I find it interesting where he blatently dismisses all the new evidence on the shields from the movie

Captain Jack Frank · Post by **Captain Jack Frank** » 2003-01-02 05:56pm

Ender wrote:Seems like a fair amount of his comments were lifted directly out of this forum: The complaints about the language describing the amount of radiation, the volume to surface area, the comments on where were Sela and Spock.

Though I find it interesting where he blatently dismisses all the new evidence on the shields from the movie

Hmmm... why does he dismiss all that evidence? Which threads did he say all this on?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-02 08:44pm

Slartibartfast: Could you quote the specific part you are refering to because I can't be bothered to read the entire thread.

On the rolls eyes well in truth that is how I feel when reading somethings it may come across as smug but thats really not the issue (being downright hostile on this board isn't frowned upon so I don't see the problem).
Maybe its just a case of spending time around here has jaded me somewhat, over at space battles I don't often use emoticons but thats probably because the debate is less hostile and more light hearted over there.

No it's basically saying if it was a popularity contest there are better ways to go about winning it than being pro trek (the best way is to be pro wars and take it from there, obviously pro wars people can not be liked but its a good place to start from).

That being said apart from the indicated quote which I would like (since I'm interested) your opinion of me is for your own reasons and I see little point in debating them.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-02 08:55pm

TheDarkling wrote:No it's basically saying if it was a popularity contest there are better ways to go about winning it than being pro trek (the best way is to be pro wars and take it from there, obviously pro wars people can not be liked but its a good place to start from).

No, the best way is to debate in an honest and straightforward fashion. One's stock drops if he nitpicks, plays rhetorical games, acts like a jack-ass, etc. That's why Alyeska is more highly respected than you, to put it bluntly, and why Raycav was never respected.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-02 09:06pm

Well I don't want to get into another slanging match so I will just say thats your opinion and you are welcome to it.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-01-03 12:55am

Captain Jack Frank wrote:
Ender wrote:Seems like a fair amount of his comments were lifted directly out of this forum: The complaints about the language describing the amount of radiation, the volume to surface area, the comments on where were Sela and Spock.

Though I find it interesting where he blatently dismisses all the new evidence on the shields from the movie
Hmmm... why does he dismiss all that evidence? Which threads did he say all this on?

You're trying WAYYY too hard.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-03 11:38am

TheDarkling wrote:Well I don't want to get into another slanging match so I will just say thats your opinion and you are welcome to it.

So I quess Darkling is saying that he admires someone who, "nitpicks, plays rhetorical games, acts like a jack-ass, etc." as Mike put it?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-03 01:38pm

Hey

is bad haven't you being paying attention ot the thread?

And no that wasn't what I was saying at all I was saying I don't etc etc.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-12 03:35am

Captain Jack Frank wrote:Wait, why are you guys dismissing another guys claims out of hand? Who's DarkStar and why shoudl I not listen to him? Shouldn't I get to see who he si and what he says first, and then make an opinion based on what I see he says?

With all due respect, you remind me of a very trusting puppy that I own. If you want to find out what he says, then go here.
As for who he is, he's a rabid pro-Trekkie who never conceeds a single point, no matter how much evidence is shown to the contrary. He then claims he has defeated his opponent in battle, and that they're too rude to deal with. Even the most ardent Trekkies (excluding his rabid fan club) thought (and think) him a scourge and many present evidence against him! Of course, this just proves that there is a "great Warsie conspiracy" with Wong at its head.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-12 02:08pm

TheDarkling wrote:Slartibartfast: Could you quote the specific part you are refering to because I can't be bothered to read the entire thread.

I can't, because your posts are all over the thread and they all illustrate what I'm saying.

Rolling eyes is the ultimate smug remark. Once in a while it's okay, but every single post in a thread... sheesh.