How would Yesterday Enterpise UFP done Domimon war

[Enigma]

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Get it through your skull, numbnuts. UFP in YE loses.

[Darth Tedious]

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Get it through your skull, numbnuts. UFP in YE loses.

I think you have completely misquoted Jason there. Nothing he writes is that easy to decipher!

On-topic, I don't see any reason why the Romulans wouldn't cash in on the opportunity to beat down a weakened Federation right after the Feds finished with the Klingons.

[JasonB]

Romulus Star Empire about same level military strength as they were during normal timeline. UFP other hand be more complex. UFP might will have as many few hundreds starship to defend against Romulus attack. In normal timeline Romulus star Empire might have at must have something like 200 Warbirds Romulan warbirds that me give Romulus maximum strength. They still planetary defense like space station and surface defense not in could surviving UFP starships. See with lose Klingon fleet face heavy lose before took temporary disable DS9 shield during DS9 way warrior. Likely Romulus face even worst loses since UFP weapon technology and shield technology something like few decades head of them. UFP surviving fleet would be something of few hundred starships must newer Galaxy, Ambassador and perhaps Nebula class starship.

[PREDATOR490]

I dont believe this is still going on...

Q: How would Yesterday Enterprise UFP done in the Dominion War ?

A: They would get curbstomped because

A) the Klingons fucking ass raped them alone
B) The Dominion was strong enough to take on the Romulans, Klingons and Federation UNITED
C) The Dominion did a mighty good job of making in-roads into the AQ / BQ before anyone even knew what was going on
D) Vital piecies of history are likely to be erased by changes in the timeline and the developments that stemmed from it

I really dont think Mr. Sisko is going to be serving on an exploration vessel with his family aboard desperately attempting to stop a Borg cube. Just so he can tragically lose his wife and spend the next 2 years waiting for a station at DS9. If he IS... well... Federation sending exploration ships out with families aboard during war time... = hilariously bad idea. Then again, this is the same 'WAR' Federation that is STILL building Galaxy class flying cities rather than developing Defiants.

What... in 20 years of fighting the Klingons, the Federation are so dense they cant even replicate the equivelent of a Bird of Prey in their arsenal ?
They STILL resort to building flying cities 're-purposed' to be oversized troop transports that cant shoot for shit and STILL fly around on their own ?

Sorry, but that just makes me think the Dominion are going to curbstomp the ever-living shit out of the YE Feds even more.

Dominion: Har har... Silly fuckers put thousands of people on a flying city with no escort that we can send three Jem'Hadar fighters to harass and ram.
Dominon: Our shipyards can crank out those fighters and crew them in months while it takes the Federation years to replace the loss.

Stupid dumbass that dosent get it: But but... this is a Federation that is 'WARIFIED' they get <Insert fuck knows> extra combat technolgies based on <Fuck knows justification>

Yup... those extra piecies of tech SURE helped them against the Klingons didnt it ?

I can even guess why the Klingons were kicking the Feds ass.... spending time building Galaxies when the Klingons are melting out ships that are just as powerful but have a fraction of the crew / size requirements.
Example: Poor E-D might have been able to win 1:1 but the Klingons know what strength in numbers means. Something the Dominion know far better.

Likely Romulus face even worst loses since UFP weapon technology and shield technology something like few decades head of them. UFP surviving fleet would be something of few hundred starships must newer Galaxy, Ambassador and perhaps Nebula class starship.

Uhm... Romulans join the Dominion or make a non-aggression pact leaving the Federation completely fucked.

Federation attacks the Romulans first - Yeah, that makes sense. Getting your ass kicked by the Klingons isnt enough, you want them to attack the Romulans AND bear the wrath of the Dominion... ?
This just results in a rather cruel irony with the Federation taking the place of the Dominion by having everyone ally against them. When the smoke clears, the Dominion can use the weakened state of the AQ powers to ass rape everyone in turn.

The only saving grace is the potential destruction / blockade of the wormhole and that only works if
A) Someone comes up with the idea for mining and defending it heavily while a LOSING war rages around on the homefront vs Klingons, Romulans or Both.
B) The Dominion dont use an agent to
i) Set off the local star system sun to obliterate everyone in the system (By Inferno's Light)
ii) Prevent any attempt to destroy the wormhole by making it impossible to collapse (In Purgatory's Shadow)

If either of these conditions occur it presents amply opportunity for the Dominion to secure the area. Even the minefield was only meant to buy the Federation AQ time. It was not a permanant solution and was countered so it's no way an instant win.

YE is fucked against the Dominion.
The End.

[Enigma]

[Jason]But..but...but...the Ye UFP uses space Maacos with anti-proton riffles and mini photon toropodes and kill the Domimons![/Jason]

You wasted your time PRED, as I told everyone before, he won't give up, he'll just keep trying to find another angle in which he thinks the Feds will win. He's more dense than a super black hole.

[JasonB]

We not talking normal UFP hand the Dominion Yesterday Enterprise UFP lot more lethal. In practice UFP have about 500 starship available after the Klingon Empire fell form biological attack. While take very short less day UFP repair all starship likely used shipyard rebuild fleet the Dominion war likely delayed at least in till 2374. With fact all UFP do few defense platform near mouth wormhole blow Jem Harder warship to bits in till 2374 when Jem Harder build battleship get build . It likely take few them break thought it.

[Darth Tedious]

/facepalm

The YE UFP was getting it's arse handed to it by the Klingons. Even if they managed to pull a desperate win using biological warfare, they'd still have no hope. A fleet of 500 ships is considerably less than they fielded against the Dominion in any major engagement. No fucking hope, for fuck's sake! I think Enigma is right on with his descriptive prowess..

[Lord MJ]

YE Fed could win if say the Klingon war suddenly ended after say 10 years of fighting instead of 22. That would give the Federation a couple of decades to get their infrastructure back in place. And who knows, for all we know at the 10 year mark the Federation could've been winning the war at that time.

But at the time period the YE took place in, just no. How the federation that was on the verge of surrendering, not coming to the bargaining table for an armistice, but full on surrendering to the Klingons would stand any chance against the Dominion is beyond me.

Predator, to be fair we have no idea what percentage Galaxies made up of the overall Federation fleet. They probably had the Saber, Centaur, and other smaller ships that they could produce more quickly. And of course Mirandas and Excelsiors.

But yeah, no to YE Federation beating the Dominion.

The one thing that interests me though is how the Dominion would get it's foothold in the quadrant in the YE universe. A full powered Cardassia isn't likely to join the Dominion. The tactic the Dominion would choose to use to move into the AQ will no doubt be completely different than in the mainline timeline.

[PREDATOR490]

The Dominion made in-roads through subversion long before they went to a full scale war footing. They lead the secret police of the Romulans and the Cardassians into a massacre and these organisations are meant to be 'super' hardcore. They were stirring up animosity between the empires and weakening everyone through subversion.

If anything, the Dominion are likely to spark off ANOTHER conflict with the Klingons and Federation much easier when they are less friendly to one another. I doubt the Romulans are going to offer to back up the Federation and their attitude is more likely to have them either
A) Join the Dominion outright
B) Sign a non-aggression pact

As for the Federation fleets - sorry, sending out your flagship which is a glorified troop transport in YE on it's own is insanely stupid. Especially at a point in the war that makes it abundantly clear the Federation is getting it's ass royally kicked.

Even if the Klingon war ended 10 years prior it is unlikely to make a difference. The Feds would have LESS reason to build warships since the conflict is OVER. By the time the Dominion show up the Feds have to up-scale AGAIN. Without the Borg attack to wake them up out of a stupor, the Dominion catch them unprepared and somehow I doubt Klingons or Romulans will be supplying the Feds with cloaking devices for a Defiant.
Assuming the Defiant even existed because that was designed to be an Anti-Borg innovation designed by the Sisko no-less
The Saber was ALSO an Anti-Borg innovation.

I see it being more likely the Federation will be minting out Galaxies, Nebulas, Excelsiors and Mirandas in a war against the Klingons due to the simple fact this has been the policy of the Federation for decades.
In all that time the Federation have been repeatedly shown to be building ships that are bulky, have families and generally armed exploration ships
Post Borg attack the Federation start punching out Akiras, Defiants, Sabers, Norways and Soverigns.

Not that these ships were seen much in DS9 compared to the standard varients even after the war with the Dominion had been going on for years. The Dominion were slapping out Dreadnaughts while the Federation was STILL using old designs. If the Federation starship manfacturing is THAT good... why the hell arent any of these 'warships' out on the frontlines during DS9 ?

We not talking normal UFP hand the Dominion Yesterday Enterprise UFP lot more lethal. In practice UFP have about 500 starship available after the Klingon Empire fell form biological attack. While take very short less day UFP repair all starship likely used shipyard rebuild fleet the Dominion war likely delayed at least in till 2374. With fact all UFP do few defense platform near mouth wormhole blow Jem Harder warship to bits in till 2374 when Jem Harder build battleship get build . It likely take few them break thought it.

500 ships... thats less than the Federation had in Sacrifice of Angels.
1254 Dominion ships
2:1 in favour of Dominion
Feds have 600+ Ships

Not counting the fact the Klingons had to arrive to assist in that battle which is unlikely to happen this time around.

Result = YE Feds have less ships than a single battle worth against the Dominion and the Dominion were repeatedly stated to be good at ship building.

UFP Defence Platforms - Proof of these defence platforms ?
Why didnt we see any in DS9 ?

Big massive force stationed at DS9 ?
*Woosh* Sun goes nova and wipes everyone out

If the Federation really does have a decent amount of firepower - The Dominion are simply going to sit in the Gamma Quadrant and churn out even more firepower for the eventual push while they stir up trouble in the AQ. The only thing that saved the Federation against the Dominion was divine intervention. Without the Prophets to wish away the Dominion fleet they will curbstomp YE Feds wether they are at full power and certainly if they are diminished from a war with the Klingons.

[JasonB]

If Dominion happen must likely happen latter at date. Must you guys seem think Dominion war happen same data happen normal timeline? Few problems first and foremost UFP spend all recourses to rebuild. It unlikely UFP spare few Starfleet officers needs to aid both Defense and rebuilding process. That would all depend how fast UFP build up shipyards and starship. While friend disagree amount time take only UFP able to afford send officers would UFP person even step foot DS9. If I am wrong could be a decade or so.

[PREDATOR490]

If Dominion happen must likely happen latter at date. Must you guys seem think Dominion war happen same data happen normal timeline?

Well, we know the Federation would have surrendered or be completely exterminated if things played out in YE. Dominion War = Not happening

If the Federation magically wins, they have to rebuild after a costly war.
Sure, that makes the way happen at a later day... you know what else that means ?
The Dominion have that extra amount of time to do their own things in the Gamma Quadrant, like increasing the size of THEIR fleets and technology.

Must you guys seem think Dominion war happen same data happen normal timeline? Few problems first and foremost UFP spend all recourses to rebuild. It unlikely UFP spare few Starfleet officers needs to aid both Defense and rebuilding process. That would all depend how fast UFP build up shipyards and starship.

Why the hell do the Federation need to rebuild battle fleets if the war is over ?
If anything the Federation is going to be rebuilding homes planets and its infrastructure.

Pouring all the resources into building massive warfleets is kinda pointless when your not at war. Unless other Empires are itching to have a go at the Feds in which case... they are far more likely to strike BEFORE the Federation rebuilds.

While friend disagree amount time take only UFP able to afford send officers would UFP person even step foot DS9. If I am wrong could be a decade or so.

It could be a decade before Starfleet even gets around to helping Bajor and DS9. It could also be forty years or two hundred years.

Regardless, the Dominion would logically be doing their own things back home like developing their empire. Yay... post war Feds come into the Gamma Quadrant X years later against a Dominion that could be even more powerful than they originally were.

Even without that, you STILL havent accepted the fact the Federation would stand ALONE against the Dominion. Without the Klingons or Romulans there to back up the Federation.

THE DOMINION WILL CURBSTOMP THE FEDERATION.

[Enigma]

Aaaaaaand all this means that Jason will try again. He's not going to concede......ever.

One thing he also does, is to necro a topic whenever he comes up with another asinine idea.

[JasonB]

Problem with that logic is fact the Dominion has been around 2000 years and is much older then UFP. To say they would become a bigger threat give them another a decade to my option sound unlikely. More likely Dominion would about lethal as the when UFP had first contact with them. As for what you suggestion UFP would conquered if USS Enterprise C not return to restore the normal time-line. That why I suggestion four possible way UFP survive people will take part in this post. I suggestion four possible ways that UFP could have survival sector 31 biological attack Klingon Empire that likely taken about decade brought knees perhaps little less. That I believe that over map way interpret symbol one big giant Klingon symbol as fleet massive fleet location deep in Klingon space, that over what symbol supposed mean accord people wrote Yesterday Enterprise movie even scripted . The Klingon symbol Klingon fleet and UFP symbol supposed be UFP fleets. Two possible is UFP officer single handle change tide of battle UFP favor. Third possible I say even though must unlikely now going to get ban that UFP intelligence died wrong and Klingon Empire much worst shape then UFP realized . Four possible is another race taken side with UFP and basic change balance of power UFP favor. If ask me which once these think must likely if UFP not over power is the biological attack. However I was going write some fan fiction I have Caption Kirk taken Nexus to single handle change tide of war in UFP favor or bring Caption Archer back to life do job. However how UFP survival not important nor person.

[Lonestar]

Problem with that logic is fact the Dominion has been around 2000 years and is much older then UFP. To say they would become a bigger threat give them another a decade to my option sound unlikely. More likely Dominion would about lethal as the when UFP had first contact with them. As for what you suggestion UFP would conquered if USS Enterprise C not return to restore the normal time-line. That why I suggestion four possible way UFP survive people will take part in this post. I suggestion four possible ways that UFP could have survival sector 31 biological attack Klingon Empire that likely taken about decade brought knees perhaps little less. That I believe that over map way interpret symbol one big giant Klingon symbol as fleet massive fleet location deep in Klingon space, that over what symbol supposed mean accord people wrote Yesterday Enterprise movie even scripted . The Klingon symbol Klingon fleet and UFP symbol supposed be UFP fleets. Two possible is UFP officer single handle change tide of battle UFP favor. Third possible I say even though must unlikely now going to get ban that UFP intelligence died wrong and Klingon Empire much worst shape then UFP realized . Four possible is another race taken side with UFP and basic change balance of power UFP favor. If ask me which once these think must likely if UFP not over power is the biological attack. However I was going write some fan fiction I have Caption Kirk taken Nexus to single handle change tide of war in UFP favor or bring Caption Archer back to life do job. However how UFP survival not important nor person.

Fucking write English. Make an effort.


No one is going to take you seriously unless you try.

[Enigma]

Complete garbage.

Fucking write English. Make an effort.


No one is going to take you seriously unless you try.

He won't. I can guarantee you, from past experiences that the longer the post the more gibberish it becomes. He's not going to make an effort.

[PREDATOR490]

lalalalalalala cant hear you, completely immune to reason

The Dominion had superior numbers, firepower and production capabilities which required the Klingons, Romulans AND Federation to prevail against.

YE = No Klingons, Post-War fucked Federation and Romulans sitting on the sidelines who are unlikely to come to the aid of the Federation when anyone can see the Feds would be in a weakened position.

Feds would lose.

However, since you seem completely deaf and unable to accept any answer other than... 'The Feds would win because..."
I find your stupidity shocking in starting a a topic asking a question you already had a fixed answer too.