Star Trek 09 review thread

[Bounty]

Oh really? I thought the implication was that Nero dumped Spock there ages ago. If he only dropped him there when he arrived at Vulcan, even stupider. Plot is contrived?

He did. Spock only came through the time hole the evening before the attack on Vulcan. Nero stole Spock's ship, dumped Spock himself, then went after Vulcan.

Blast the plot, but at least try to find out what it is first.

[Stark]

Eat a dick, you pretentious dumbass. Go see the move another half a dozen times. Oh noes, I forgot the hilariously contrived plot silliness! This DOESN'T AFFECT THE STUPIDITY OF NERO'S ACTIONS IN THE FUCKING SLIGHTEST. He could have at least dropped a bomb on the fucking STARFLEET BASE in WALKING DISTANCE.

PLOT MAKES SENSE!

[Ryan Thunder]

Erm... the base appeared to be crewed by all of what, two humanoids?

Yeah that's a really big target worth wasting ammunition on...

[Stark]

'Wasting ammunition'? Are you a fucking moron?

Oh sorry, I forgot pointing out how Nero basically does everything possible to fail and get killed because 'fate pushed them together'.

[Bounty]

Eat a dick, you pretentious dumbass. Go see the move another half a dozen times. Oh noes, I forgot the hilariously contrived plot silliness! This DOESN'T AFFECT THE STUPIDITY OF NERO'S ACTIONS IN THE FUCKING SLIGHTEST. He could have at least dropped a bomb on the fucking STARFLEET BASE in WALKING DISTANCE.

PLOT MAKES SENSE!

Oh I'm sorry. I guess the main character growing up from baby to adult and the X YEARS LATER title card were too subtle for you. Maybe you're the one they made the Evil Ship of Evil extra evil-looking for? Sequence of events, what's that?

Just for future reference, the movie takes place "in space". I'm just saying that in case you missed it.

Jesus. There's enough contrivances as is, there's no need for you to make up more and then throw a bitch fit because someone points out you tried to keep up with the plot of a big dumb action movie and failed.

[Stark]

Oh I'm sorry. I guess the main character growing up from baby to adult and the X YEARS LATER title card were too subtle for you. Maybe you're the one they made the Evil Ship of Evil extra evil-looking for? Sequence of events, what's that?

Just for future reference, the movie takes place "in space". I'm just saying that in case you missed it.

Jesus. There's enough contrivances as is, there's no need for you to make up more and then throw a bitch fit because someone points out you tried to keep up with the plot of a big dumb action movie and failed.

This is all relevant to Nero throwing Spock off the ship for no reason so Kirk could meet him and go to the unmolested and unaware Starfleet base in walking distance so they could escape and kill him less stupid, you're right.

Oh wait, it doesn't! Minor irrelevant error of fact = Bounty starts trolling = lol. Please Bounty, tell me how I 'failed the movie roffle' when I make an irrelevant error of fact in an internet post. You're right, once I forget that Spock only just arrived that invalidates my entire argument even though it's barely even peripheral to Nero's stupidity.

[Themightytom]

Oh really? I thought the implication was that Nero dumped Spock there ages ago. If he only dropped him there when he arrived at Vulcan, even stupider. Plot is contrived?

I could Allllmost forgive nero for dumping him within sight (literally) of the planet he intended to destroy if it had been "decades ago" maybe BEFORE the federation installation was put in?

As it stands Spock could have gone to the isntallation and transmitted a warning/beamed to Vulcan.

Why would Spock Prime meekly allow his ship to be captured by an angry Romulan, when he's not an idiot and would surely understand the destructive potential of the red matter he's carrying onboard?

Spock might not have been able to resist if his ship or himself was F'ed up by the passage through the wormhole. on the other hand, perhaps Spock, like nimoy was just phoning it in.
"I go through all of this effort tos ave this galaxy/franchise and its just getting rebooted ANYWAY???"

I'm sorry, but given the ease with which the Enterprise shot down the Narada's torpedoes and the heavy damage inflicted by Kirk Sr's suicide run aboard the USS Kelvin, I just can't buy the Narada destroying 47 Klingon warships. That's a pretty damned big force.

Clearly the Narada had some sort of death blossom technology.

Starfleet fire control systems appear to have a very interesting design feature: they can hit torpedo-sized objects, but only when they're fired at third parties, not themselves

Thats because they miss two or three times. if its coming at them head on, it hits before they can correct. if the missiles are flying past them they get more chances. The feature is they suck.

Why would anyone in his right mind send three guys in parachutes to disable the Narada's drill, when they could have just shot it out?

I think he was acting under the assumption that if they went straight for it the narada could stop them, whereas if pike acted as a diversion the "Strike team" could get through. on the other hand, theres no explanation given for WHY cadets are trained on orbital insertion but not hand to hand combat, why he made Kirk the XO and then took him with him and why, if he HAD done his dissertation on the fate of the Kelvin, Pike didn't set his shuttle to blow up after a few minutes as he knew he'd likely be dead.

(Jeesus christ in the time it takes me to write this Stark and bounty started wrestling in jello.)

[Bounty]

This is all relevant to Nero throwing Spock off the ship for no reason so Kirk could meet him and go to the unmolested and unaware Starfleet base in walking distance so they could escape and kill him less stupid, you're right.

Oh wait, it doesn't! Minor irrelevant error of fact = Bounty starts trolling = lol. Please Bounty, tell me how I 'failed the movie roffle' when I make an irrelevant error of fact in an internet post. You're right, once I forget that Spock only just arrived that invalidates my entire argument even though it's barely even peripheral to Nero's stupidity.

Of course Nero is retarded for dropping Spock on the planet twenty-five years before he intends to do his doomsday gig, giving him ample time for the hours-long trek to the Starfleet base where he can warn Vulcan.

But wait, what's this? Oh yeah, that scenario only comes into existence on the path from your eyes to the void between your ears. What actually happens is that Nero drops a walking fossil in a frozen wasteland where he won't reach help until hours after Vulcan gets turned inside-out (as happened in the movie, FYI, in case you slept through that bit too), kicking the legs from under whatever passes for an "argument" in your very peculiar world.

Movie has a mad man acting irrational for personal emotional gratification? Inconceivable!

[Darth Wong]

Actually, Nero knew himself that it was a foolish thing to do. In the movie, when he hears that a human and a Vulcan are aboard his ship, he assumes that the Vulcan is Spock Prime and growls that he should have killed him when he had the chance. Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

[Stark]

Of course Nero is retarded for dropping Spock on the planet twenty-five years before he intends to do his doomsday gig, giving him ample time for the hours-long trek to the Starfleet base where he can warn Vulcan.

But wait, what's this? Oh yeah, that scenario only comes into existence on the path from your eyes to the void between your ears. What actually happens is that Nero drops a walking fossil in a frozen wasteland where he won't reach help until hours after Vulcan gets turned inside-out (as happened in the movie, FYI, in case you slept through that bit too), kicking the legs from under whatever passes for an "argument" in your very peculiar world.

Movie has a mad man acting irrational for personal emotional gratification? Inconceivable!

ITT Bounty harps on an irrelevant error ! He even appears to be so dishonest he's claiming he knows what I said better than me, and that the error stands! Is he a troll? Is he a knee-jerk fanboy?

Remember kids, it's okay to just let people go when they can watch Vulcan explode from somewhere under your control that ISN'T right next to a Starfleet base! Forced plot contrivances set up because Abrams thinks 'fate' is directing events ISN'T STUPID if you make an irrelevant factual error for Bounty butthurt fans to latch onto first! Even if he wanted Spock to be in solitude, to replicate Nero's impotence before the destruction of Romulus, there are PLENTY of better ways he could have done it than 'drop guy on planet so close to Vulcan it's bigger than the moon in the sky so he can meet Kirk lol'. Even BETTER, Spcok was in danger of FUCKING DYING FIRST because Nero probably didn't know the planet was full of giant predators! Imagine Nero coming back to gloat, and they find Spock's personal tracker inside a giant snow lion. He'd feel pretty fucking stupid then!

Concentrating on two words that offend poor old 'see it fifty times in first week sadcase' Bounty is solid gold. He doesn't even think the plot makes sense or isn't contrived; he's just arguing because he's a BETTER FAN for not MAKING A POST WITH A MEANINGLESS ERROR IN IT.

[Themightytom]

Actually, Nero knew himself that it was a foolish thing to do. In the movie, when he hears that a human and a Vulcan are aboard his ship, he assumes that the Vulcan is Spock Prime and growls that he should have killed him when he had the chance. Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

It was so wierd that the villian had no idea the star of the movie was Kirk not Spock. he "Accidently" affects Kirk in a fundamental way forcing him to grow up without a father and doesn't even have the decency to recognize his significance even at the end when they are fighting. I felt like it sent mixed signals a bit because ultiamtely Spock's story is MORE compelling because he grew up an outsider chose to join starfleet, and ebcause he was in Starfleet preaching about facing death he was too late to save his mother who dies right in front of him, he turns to his human gf for comfort but can't turn to her in public only to find out that ultimately its all his future self's fault.

Well my summary sucks but Spock's story was so much more sophisticated and subtle than kirk's which speaks volumes about Abrahms interpretation of the character. ulhura too. She speaks many languages, including, Repressed Vulcan and Angry Juvenile Human.

[Bounty]

Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

Most of what Nero does is impulsive and stupid. He's a threat because he has nasty toys and nothing left to live for, not because he's particularly cunning or clever.

Same with dropping off Spock. It works fine as instant gratification ("he'll watch his home die, then freezes to death alone and suffering what I suffered!") until it comes back and bites him in the ass.

Blah blah zero content

[Stark]

Fuck you, you dishonest cherry picking coward. I just busted out what, three different directions how it's stupid and contrived and all you've got is 'oh noes Stark forgot an element of the plot at 6am'? Choke on a dick. Characterising my post as 'zero content' because you've got nothing to say is fucking absurd, but it's what I've come to expect from your reaction to criticism of this movie.

'Zero content' = 'things Bounty already knows, agrees with, but doesn't want to talk about'.

[Oskuro]

Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

Erm, wasn't his point to have Spock live and bear the pain of his world's death for the rest of his life? Dropping him close to some godforsaken outpost from wich he would have been recovered way too late to be of significance is not that stupid a move.

Of course, he couldn't foresee Kirk finding Spock and using the magic transwarp teleport to go back and bite him in the ass, I mean, he was probably rational enough to think "That makes no sense!"

[Stark]

The rest of his life was going to be pretty short on that planet, with no food or resources. Luckily they let him change into his SnowSpockSuit first.

Nero instantly forgot about him anyway and made no effort to secure Spock after Vulcan exploded. Nero's just a crazy person, as Bounty says, and what he does is pretty retarded (outside of his mining operations which are well within his experience).

[Darth Wong]

Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

Erm, wasn't his point to have Spock live and bear the pain of his world's death for the rest of his life? Dropping him close to some godforsaken outpost from wich he would have been recovered way too late to be of significance is not that stupid a move.

Of course, he couldn't foresee Kirk finding Spock and using the magic transwarp teleport to go back and bite him in the ass, I mean, he was probably rational enough to think "That makes no sense!"

His ship has shit sensors; he couldn't even tell people had beamed onto his ship until after a firefight had broken out. How does he know what they have in that outpost? For all he knows, they had a warp-capable shuttle in an underground launch bay. It wasn't even standard Crazy SuperVillain behaviour: the normal Crazy SuperVillain would have chained Spock up so that he could watch the reaction on Spock's face while he saw his world die, and then he would taunt him the whole time.

He marooned Spock for the writer's convenience.

[TithonusSyndrome]

Actually, Nero knew himself that it was a foolish thing to do. In the movie, when he hears that a human and a Vulcan are aboard his ship, he assumes that the Vulcan is Spock Prime and growls that he should have killed him when he had the chance. Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

Which is even more confusing, considering he knows about young Spock and even briefly confronted him. What on earth made him think that the marooned old Spock would be likelier to mount an assault within his ship than the younger Spock with access to a ship and transporters? Or maybe he was thinking that he should have destroyed the Enterprise when he had the chance and Spock with it?

[Darth Wong]

Actually, Nero knew himself that it was a foolish thing to do. In the movie, when he hears that a human and a Vulcan are aboard his ship, he assumes that the Vulcan is Spock Prime and growls that he should have killed him when he had the chance. Dropping him within walking distance of a Federation outpost is pretty stupid even for a guy who's hell-bent on revenge.

Which is even more confusing, considering he knows about young Spock and even briefly confronted him. What on earth made him think that the marooned old Spock would be likelier to mount an assault within his ship than the younger Spock with access to a ship and transporters?

The fact that old Spock would actually know where to go, and what to look for. Of course, he would not have anticipated the old Spock coaching the new Kirk while the new Spock is kept in the dark.

Or maybe he was thinking that he should have destroyed the Enterprise when he had the chance and Spock with it?

It's possible; admittedly, the dialogue is not explicit.

[Stark]

The whole 'whoa it's the Enterprise I'm going to have some fun' thing just shows Nero's overconfidence, I think. I'm not sure how much of it's intentional.

[Junghalli]

Well, I finally saw the movie last night with Rebecca at the theatre. First impressions:<snip>

That was about my reactions to it as well. It was fun, but you kind of had to turn your brain off to enjoy it.

[Gil Hamilton]

The whole 'whoa it's the Enterprise I'm going to have some fun' thing just shows Nero's overconfidence, I think. I'm not sure how much of it's intentional.

I don't think it was overconfidence. I actually think it was more like awe of his situation. He knew about the Enterprise and its exploits from history, and of Captain Kirk, who seemed to have been famous even in the Romulan Empire. Coming face to face with it in space would have been some heady stuff.

[Stark]

Certainly - which is reflected in his evident pleasure at killing Kirk with his own hands later - but it's poor judgement regardless. 'Overconfidence' mght have been the wrong word.

[Themightytom]

does anyone even remeber scotty inventing a transwarp transporter or is that new

[Stark]

nTrek may not be the same universe as TOS/TNG/VOY/etc.

[Darth Wong]

does anyone even remeber scotty inventing a transwarp transporter or is that new

Who says he invented it? Remember ST4, when Scotty went back in time, told somebody how to make transparent aluminum, and then answered McCoy's concern about altering the timeline by saying "How do we know he didn't invent the thing?" Spock could have simply been saying that. It doesn't necessarily have to be true.

This timeline is hopelessly corrupted anyway; there's really no reason to stop Spock from telling these people everything he knows about scientific and technological developments for the next hundred years, warning them about the Borg, etc. He probably won't do it because these writers aren't interested in that, but there's no logical reason why he wouldn't do it.