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Rick Berman wants an Emmy? LOL
Posted: 2003-01-15 05:17pm
by Dark Primus
http://digiverse.net/vectormatrix/archives/00000007.htm
Trek executive producer Rick Berman today criticised the way science fiction television is overlooked by the Emmy Awards."I have outgrown expecting to get nominations in acting and writing and directing categories," Berman told trade paper Variety. "It's just been so many years we've been overlooked."
Variety via TrekToday
Anyone who watches Enterprise (or its predecessor, Voyager) knows that recent Trek is hardly worth watching let alone worthy of Emmy recognition. Even one of my favorite Star Trek shows, Deep Space Nine was compelling towards the final years, but the writing and acting was not consistant or serious enough to warrant an award.
But after reading that article I was reminded of the constant discussions related to Buffy being snubbed by the Emmy Awards. In fact, one of the main reasons why I started watching Buffy is because of off-topic discussions on other BBSs, venting frustrating about the show's image.
After watching Buffy: The Vampire Slayer, I realize that it is as goofy as it appears to be, but also suprisingly witty and enjoyable. However, despite attempts at seriousness, Buffy suffers from the same inconsistancy that plagues Star Trek. - I think people have to realize that an entertaining show is not necessarily an exceptionally well done show.
Sci-fi shows can offer fun characters with entertaining situations and sometimes thoughtful concepts. But for some reason, most sci-fi, (asides from The X-Files) never seem to take themselves seriously enough to have balanced, dramatic dialogue and situations that you would expect from shows like The Practice, The Sopranos or The West Wing.
Basically, sci-fi is too tame and their execution of thoughtful ideas is not always up to par. I think people have to consider for a moment why a show about two FBI agents hunting aliens and monsters won two Golden Glode Awards for outstanding drama. - Unlike other sci-fi/fantasy, The X-Files didn't use cheesy music, with cheap special effects and crappy lighting to tell their stories. Even first season epsiodes that were obviously low budget, still managed a unique sense of cinematic style and seriousness.
It's strange reading interviews with Whedon (Buffy Producer/Creator) and Co. talking about Buffy's lack of award recognization. I mean, this guy has created a show that is just plain silly to the point that it almost seems as if he is daring people to watch it. So I don't see why he should be rewarded for something that is nothing more than escapist fun that "occassionally" borderlines serious television.
If Berman is serious about getting an Emmy then he realy needs to shape up.
Posted: 2003-01-15 05:50pm
by Master of Ossus
LMAO! Man that guy's a moron. What the hell is he thinking? Maybe he should submit, "A Night in Sickbay" to try for an Emmy award. If he wins, we'll know that the whole damn show is rigged.
BTW, did he notice that Babylon 5 won an Emmy (along with numerous other awards, including two Hugos)? Maybe he ought to consider that good sci-fi has been rewarded before saying he's being snubbed.
Posted: 2003-01-15 06:16pm
by paladin
Berman will get any emmy when hell freezes over!!!
Posted: 2003-01-15 06:20pm
by Dark Primus
paladin wrote:Berman will get any emmy when hell freezes over!!!
My thoughts exactly.
Posted: 2003-01-15 06:25pm
by Enlightenment
The person who wrote the article is right. Sci-fi just doesn't take itself seriously enough to make it far enough into the realm of sophisticated entertainment to be elligiable for awards. Most of the major scifi series have done a few very good episodes here and there but the best overall description for scifi is 'campy.'
Scifi is basically stuck at the Mike Hammer level of realism. It's escapist trash that makes little attempt to realistically portray life. Of course no one who likes shows such as The West Wing, Prime Suspect or NYPD Blue is going to be satisfied with scifi that has dialog like "take this cheese to sickbay" or ship captains that can get a meeting with the local president whenever they feel like it. This lack of mature content will be reflected in scifi's low ratings and its lack of awards.
Posted: 2003-01-15 07:11pm
by Darth Garden Gnome
Bermans just jacking off to the mirrior saying "I'm awesome! I'm awesome! they're all wrong, I'm awesome!"
Star Trek died after TNG (some will argue DS9, thats fine too). End of discussion.
Posted: 2003-01-15 07:13pm
by Shinova
Berman needs to find his head.
Posted: 2003-01-15 07:55pm
by neoolong
Shinova wrote:Berman needs to find his head.
Shouldn't be hard. It's up his ass.
Posted: 2003-01-15 08:01pm
by Stormbringer
Berman should worry less about Emmy's and more about finding his brain. He's writing utter crap and won't get an Emmy because he's a fucking idiot.
Now if he wrote intelligent and mature sci-fi then he might have a chance.
Posted: 2003-01-15 08:27pm
by Sea Skimmer
neoolong wrote:Shinova wrote:Berman needs to find his head.
Shouldn't be hard. It's up his ass.
Of course locating a replacement for the squishy thing that should be inside of it he flushed down the toilet years ago might be harder.
Posted: 2003-01-15 09:21pm
by Patrick Degan
Sadly for Mr. Berman, there are no Emmy categories for "worst producer", "worst writer", "most fundamentally idiotic episode of a TV series" or "most destructive force in wrecking a television franchise".
Posted: 2003-01-15 09:37pm
by kojikun
The only scifi show i can think of thats deserving of an emmy is Babylon 5. Rarely did it suck at the level that others have.
Posted: 2003-01-15 09:55pm
by Master of Ossus
kojikun wrote:The only scifi show i can think of thats deserving of an emmy is Babylon 5. Rarely did it suck at the level that others have.
That's incredible. Just by a coincidence, B5 WON AN EMMY! Maybe Sci-Fi isn't being discriminated against. Frankly, discriminating between people based on ability is NOT discrimination. The Emmy people are sending B&B a message when they don't even get nominated, and their arch-rival series wins.
Posted: 2003-01-15 10:00pm
by aerius
Patrick Degan wrote:Sadly for Mr. Berman, there are no Emmy categories for "worst producer", "worst writer", "most fundamentally idiotic episode of a TV series" or "most destructive force in wrecking a television franchise".
But there's always the
Golden Raspberry Awards for worst achievements in film. I'm sure Berman will be in the running for a few awards in that one.
Posted: 2003-01-15 10:08pm
by Crown
Master of Ossus wrote:kojikun wrote:The only scifi show i can think of thats deserving of an emmy is Babylon 5. Rarely did it suck at the level that others have.
That's incredible. Just by a coincidence, B5 WON AN EMMY! Maybe Sci-Fi isn't being discriminated against. Frankly, discriminating between people based on ability is NOT discrimination. The Emmy people are sending B&B a message when they don't even get nominated, and their arch-rival series wins.
I am sure S:AAB was nominated for something... right? I mean that was (in terms of acting, realism and plot) was superior to B5 IMHO.
Posted: 2003-01-15 10:12pm
by Ghost Rider
He thinks he's even worthy of an Emmy?!
Wow, the man's ego knows no bounds...
Posted: 2003-01-15 10:17pm
by Master of Ossus
Crown wrote:Master of Ossus wrote:kojikun wrote:The only scifi show i can think of thats deserving of an emmy is Babylon 5. Rarely did it suck at the level that others have.
That's incredible. Just by a coincidence, B5 WON AN EMMY! Maybe Sci-Fi isn't being discriminated against. Frankly, discriminating between people based on ability is NOT discrimination. The Emmy people are sending B&B a message when they don't even get nominated, and their arch-rival series wins.
I am sure S:AAB was nominated for something... right? I mean that was (in terms of acting, realism and plot) was superior to B5 IMHO.
Perhaps. The thing, though, is that B5 was a revolution in TELEVISION in America, as well as just science fiction. It was the first time that anything like it had ever been done, and was a giant leap up in a lot of ways. In that respect and within science fiction, only the Original Star Trek and Twilight Zone are even in the same category.
Posted: 2003-01-15 10:17pm
by Frank Hipper
Patrick Degan wrote:Sadly for Mr. Berman, there are no Emmy categories for "worst producer", "worst writer", "most fundamentally idiotic episode of a TV series" or "most destructive force in wrecking a television franchise".
Ha! I was laughing before this thread loaded! Abandon all hope ye who write Enterprise!
(edit) And I shouldn't be laughing because it's SAD! I used to love ST and now it's a laughingstock.
Posted: 2003-01-15 11:17pm
by Beowulf
neoolong wrote:Shinova wrote:Berman needs to find his head.
Shouldn't be hard. It's up his ass.
Unfortunately, he couldn't find his ass with both hands, a map, a flashlight, a GPS reciever, etc...
Posted: 2003-01-16 12:47am
by Uraniun235
IIRC, TNG won an Emmy for the architecture of the Klingon homeworld.
Enlightenment: I don't think people who watch sci-fi want to be reminded of real life.
Posted: 2003-01-16 01:04am
by EmperorMing
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Bermans just jacking off to the mirrior saying "I'm awesome! I'm awesome! they're all wrong, I'm awesome!"
Sounds like Dorkstar...
Posted: 2003-01-16 01:12am
by Superman
Well, an Emmy is out of the picture but I'm sure he could get a Raspberry or something.
Posted: 2003-01-16 01:40am
by Dark Primus
Uraniun235 wrote:IIRC, TNG won an Emmy for the architecture of the Klingon homeworld.
Enlightenment: I don't think people who watch sci-fi want to be reminded of real life.
I think "Best Of Both Worlds" also won for special effects to?
Posted: 2003-01-16 02:31am
by Superman
If "Best of Both Worlds" didn't win an emmy, it SHOULD have. It had a great musical score too!
Posted: 2003-01-16 08:27am
by Lord Pounder
Maybe he got confused between Enema and Emmy? An acid Enema would be about right for his tallents.