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Just saw that episode of TNG where Picard is captured by the Cardies and tortured, and all I can say is whoa! Picard must have the biggest pair of nuts since Kirk, lol, because he went through hell and never broke, even at the end. I also saw why so many people like Jellico, the guy was brilliant. He managed to force the Cardies invasion force to retreat and get Picard back, and he didn't even have to shed any blood on either side.

Best part of that episode is that David Warner played the Cardasian that tortured Picard.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but who's David Warner?

Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

David Warner roxor my boxor.

Darth Wong wrote:Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

I am so fuckin glad I'm not your prisoner.

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! that was one of the best episodes of the series....ah, Capt. Jellico if only more were like him.

Col. Crackpot wrote:THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! that was one of the best episodes of the series....ah, Capt. Jellico if only more were like him.

Amen to that.

David Warner plays a superb villain. He plays good guys also, like the Federation Ambassodor in ST5 and chancellor Gorkon in ST6, but I remeber him best as Evil in Time Bandits. "Perhaps you'd like to be half donkey, or carrott, or....oyster"

Darth Wong wrote:Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

The problem with that form of tortures is you can litterally get any answer you want. Shit, I would admit to killing JFK if I was tortured that badly.

Alyeska wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

The problem with that form of tortures is you can litterally get any answer you want. Shit, I would admit to killing JFK if I was tortured that badly.

True; nobody could possibly retain the ability to think rationally under such treatment.

Darth Wong wrote:

Alyeska wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

The problem with that form of tortures is you can litterally get any answer you want. Shit, I would admit to killing JFK if I was tortured that badly.

True; nobody could possibly retain the ability to think rationally under such treatment.

Which is why so many forms of torture for information don't involve huge amounts of pain but rather confusion and sleep deprivation.

Which is why so many forms of torture for information don't involve huge amounts of pain but rather confusion and sleep deprivation.

Suppose the victim lies after this kind of treatment?

Keep doing it till they do break.

He should've done some Nineteen Eighty Four-style torture on Picard.

Or Pulp Fiction-style!

Col. Crackpot wrote:

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

Possibly the best line in all of star trek!! I loved that line!! It's the kind of defiance you might expect from Kirk... only from Picard!!

Psychological torture is better for extracting information. If you just want to inflict suffering, maybe get your victim to admit to outlandish crimes to justify executing him, physical torture is the way to go. With physical torture, you usually end up with the victim telling the torturer whatever he wants to hear, rather than real information.

David Warner is one of the best villans out there....dont forget his purely voice over work....he was the wild mage Jon Irenicus from Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn aswell....and he was in the Wing Commander movie.....

jaeger115 wrote:

Which is why so many forms of torture for information don't involve huge amounts of pain but rather confusion and sleep deprivation.

Suppose the victim lies after this kind of treatment?

Part of the point is there mind ends up so fucked up they don't know they shouldn't be telling this person where the rebel base it.

Darth Wong wrote:Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

You forgot the Wheel, Jacob's Ladder, the Rack, the Post, the Spiked Chairs, Iron Maidens, Spiked Collars (spiked on the inside)...medieval torture devices could be quite nasty

The Dark wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:Mind you, nobody was hacking his fingers off, sticking knives into his testicles, or ramming heated blades up his ass. Old-fashioned brutal torture would probably have been more effective; in the history of the Catholic Inquisitions, not one person failed to break.

You forgot the Wheel, Jacob's Ladder, the Rack, the Post, the Spiked Chairs, Iron Maidens, Spiked Collars (spiked on the inside)...medieval torture devices could be quite nasty

If you want I know a few places that make modern ones.....um.....should i really mention that?

The Silence and I wrote:Col. Crackpot wrote:

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

Possibly the best line in all of star trek!! I loved that line!! It's the kind of defiance you might expect from Kirk... only from Picard!!

part I of that 2 part story had a scene that was almost as good... Remember Deanna Troi's whine to Jellico about how the crew wasn't used to Him and they need reasurance and positive reenforcement or some bullshit and Jellico basicly tells her fuck off and get over it! i loved that

David Warner also played Sark in Tron, and voiced Rais'algul (I don't know how it's spelled) in Batman: The Animated Series.

Man, I'd practically give anything to see him in Episode III. As a Republic/Imperial officer, senator, whatever - I just really want him in it...

Something I didn't like about that episode was Data wearing a red command uniform, he just did not look right in that thing. Also, how could Riker be a better shuttle pilot than Data, who could pilot a shuttle almost flawlessly. One of my favorite parts was when Jellico told Riker that he basically sucked as a First Officer.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:David Warner also played Sark in Tron, and voiced Rais'algul (I don't know how it's spelled) in Batman: The Animated Series.

Man, I'd practically give anything to see him in Episode III. As a Republic/Imperial officer, senator, whatever - I just really want him in it...

speaking of tron, did you ever see the simpsons halloween episode where homer got sucked into the virtual reality world and tried to describe it by asking "has anyone seen the movie Tron?" and they cut to every single charector saying no.