The Pussification of the Antagonists

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-01 10:07am

During the run of Star Trek, we have seen a disturbing pattern of what I like to refer to as "The Pussification of the Antagonists". Basically, we've seen villains introduced who had the potential to shake the very foundations and introduce real drama into the story.

Unfortunately, because the writers don't have the courage to really deal with a complex enemy, they pussify them, making them harmless. My favorite example is Species 8472. Here you have a group of extremely powerful xenophobes who threaten even the Borg. Did the writers use them effectively? Oh no, they did something stupid like showing Species 8472 taking human form because they wanted to better understand humanity. Weak!

Any other examples?[/b]

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-02-01 12:20pm

Don't forget dumbing down of villians like the Klingons.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-01 12:21pm

The Ferengi. In TNG, they kick the E-Ds ass. In DS9, they're a bunch of limp-wristed moneygrubbers.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-02-01 02:12pm

Defiant wrote: Oh no, they did something stupid like showing Species 8472 taking human form because they wanted to better understand humanity. Weak!

I particularly dislike this, for the reason that Species 8472 appeared very terrifying. Why shouldn't they use the oppurtunity to have some truly weird aliens??

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-02-01 03:18pm

Species 8472 is a good example, so are the Klingons. And the Borg for that matter. And Ferengi. The Remans always were pussies. As were the So'na. Frankly StarTrek hasn't have very cool villians recently.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-02-01 03:45pm

By other words there are no good bad villians currently.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-01 05:16pm

Rick Berman Said:

But the REMANS they were scary! They looked like the bastar dlove child of Jem Hadar and Vampire Bats oh oh and Shinzon was like, an uber bad ass but yeah and .... oh give me a break

This aint a fucking Kit Kat Bar, you don't get a break!

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-01 10:16pm

I don't know, I found Janeway to be an even more threatening villian as time went on. By the fourth season, I was so scared the producers would give her a topless scene, I had to stop watching Voyager. Now that's scary.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-01 10:18pm

The Borg. They start out as one nasty race, but as VOY goes on, they get dumber and dumber.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-02-01 10:30pm

The Hirogen. They look fearsome when they first appeared, but after the Killing Game, they just pussificated out with this new holodeck tech Janeway gave them.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-02 12:47am

The Romulans seem to be quieting down and becoming....(begins to sob) nice. (breask down and slams head against the wall to induce a comma.)

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-02 01:10am

I don't think you get any better example than the Borg. I know it's already been mentioned but this can't be stated strongly enough.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-02 01:54am

If only Khan had lived...

[sarcasm]wait here an original idea, suppose Khan was CLONED[/sarcasm]

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-02 03:09am

Don't mention that!!!

....who knows...B&B may use it in some lame attempt to make Enterprise even more pathetic(looky they got to Khan before Kirk did...and exiled him onto the Botany Bay)

And yes...the Borg...who literally went from Nigh invincible to weak(Descent) to annoying(FC~voyager)

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-02-02 09:59pm

Lets not forget the Jem'hadar, they just plain WUSSED out at the end of Deep Space Nine... A damn treaty because a damn shapeshifter said so, i would have taken that treaty and shoved it up that changlings ass and fought the federation till it was nothing but dust,

And the Vaudwar and the Touree' They were thrown away..

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