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The Pussification of the Antagonists
Posted: 2003-02-01 10:07am
by Defiant
During the run of Star Trek, we have seen a disturbing pattern of what I like to refer to as "The Pussification of the Antagonists". Basically, we've seen villains introduced who had the potential to shake the very foundations and introduce real drama into the story.
Unfortunately, because the writers don't have the courage to really deal with a complex enemy, they pussify them, making them harmless. My favorite example is Species 8472. Here you have a group of extremely powerful xenophobes who threaten even the Borg. Did the writers use them effectively? Oh no, they did something stupid like showing Species 8472 taking human form because they wanted to better understand humanity. Weak!
Any other examples?[/b]
Posted: 2003-02-01 12:20pm
by paladin
Don't forget dumbing down of villians like the Klingons.
Posted: 2003-02-01 12:21pm
by Kuja
The Ferengi. In TNG, they kick the E-Ds ass. In DS9, they're a bunch of limp-wristed moneygrubbers.
Re: The Pussification of the Antagonists
Posted: 2003-02-01 02:12pm
by Peregrin Toker
Defiant wrote: Oh no, they did something stupid like showing Species 8472 taking human form because they wanted to better understand humanity. Weak!
I particularly dislike this, for the reason that Species 8472 appeared very terrifying. Why shouldn't they use the oppurtunity to have some truly weird aliens??
Posted: 2003-02-01 03:18pm
by Gil Hamilton
Species 8472 is a good example, so are the Klingons. And the Borg for that matter. And Ferengi. The Remans always were pussies. As were the So'na. Frankly StarTrek hasn't have very cool villians recently.
Posted: 2003-02-01 03:45pm
by Dark Primus
By other words there are no good bad villians currently.
Posted: 2003-02-01 05:16pm
by Darth Fanboy
Rick Berman Said:
But the REMANS they were scary! They looked like the bastar dlove child of Jem Hadar and Vampire Bats oh oh and Shinzon was like, an uber bad ass but yeah and .... oh give me a break
This aint a fucking Kit Kat Bar, you don't get a break!
Posted: 2003-02-01 10:16pm
by Wicked Pilot
I don't know, I found Janeway to be an even more threatening villian as time went on. By the fourth season, I was so scared the producers would give her a topless scene, I had to stop watching Voyager. Now that's scary.
Posted: 2003-02-01 10:18pm
by Zaku-chan
The Borg. They start out as one nasty race, but as VOY goes on, they get dumber and dumber.
Posted: 2003-02-01 10:30pm
by jaeger115
The Hirogen. They look fearsome when they first appeared, but after the Killing Game, they just pussificated out with this new holodeck tech Janeway gave them.
Posted: 2003-02-02 12:47am
by Admiral Johnason
The Romulans seem to be quieting down and becoming....(begins to sob) nice. (breask down and slams head against the wall to induce a comma.)
Posted: 2003-02-02 01:10am
by Sonnenburg
I don't think you get any better example than the Borg. I know it's already been mentioned but this can't be stated strongly enough.
Posted: 2003-02-02 01:54am
by Darth Fanboy
If only Khan had lived...
[sarcasm]wait here an original idea, suppose Khan was CLONED[/sarcasm]
Posted: 2003-02-02 03:09am
by Ghost Rider
Don't mention that!!!
....who knows...B&B may use it in some lame attempt to make Enterprise even more pathetic(looky they got to Khan before Kirk did...and exiled him onto the Botany Bay)
And yes...the Borg...who literally went from Nigh invincible to weak(Descent) to annoying(FC~voyager)
Posted: 2003-02-02 09:59pm
by Dennis Toy
Lets not forget the Jem'hadar, they just plain WUSSED out at the end of Deep Space Nine... A damn treaty because a damn shapeshifter said so, i would have taken that treaty and shoved it up that changlings ass and fought the federation till it was nothing but dust,
And the Vaudwar and the Touree' They were thrown away..