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OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-21 10:49am
by Sonnenburg
Here's the next part of the Q arc, with Amanda Rogers taking over the show. Also, Cold Fire, the one where the other Caretaker makes her only appearance and gets beating by a toy from Ghostbusters 2.

True Q

Cold Fire

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-21 12:40pm
by Bounty
Like Al Gore. Just like Al Gore :lol:

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-21 03:06pm
by El Moose Monstero
Excellent as always, and the little hint of things to come for All Good Things leaves me keen for more. Those last scenes with Q and Picard remain some of my favourite scenes in Trek, I'm really looking forward to seeing them reviewed, favourably or otherwise. Rose coloured glasses of nostalgia can be broken! Roll on more ONGEG!

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-21 07:22pm
by Drooling Iguana
I think the next Q episode after this was Tapestry, not All Good Things.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-21 07:49pm
by Alyeska
Good work as always. And best of all, you make people think about the content of the episode with these reviews. What was and what might have been.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 12:21am
by Patrick Degan
What's been little touched-upon is how Picard, who's had no problem with letting whole peoples die under the "superior morality" of the Prime Directive, finds that whole argument now turned against him with the "superior morality" of the Q Continuum and whether or not a young woman will be executed in its name. I know it's a minor aspect of this particular story but a rather interesting one nonetheless.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 03:13am
by Lord Revan
Btw how many Voyager(or Trek in general) episodes could be summed but as "good idea, bad execution", like these episodes?

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 04:38am
by Thanas
Two videos? Chuck, you spoil us.

Anyway, great work as always.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 06:24am
by Lord Revan
Lord Revan wrote:Btw how many Voyager(or Trek in general) episodes could be summed but as "good idea, bad execution", like these episodes?
EDIT:"... summed up as..."

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 12:08pm
by Samuel
All of them? Except Tattoo level trash of course- you can always find an idea that might have been neat if done right.
Patrick Degan wrote:What's been little touched-upon is how Picard, who's had no problem with letting whole peoples die under the "superior morality" of the Prime Directive, finds that whole argument now turned against him with the "superior morality" of the Q Continuum and whether or not a young woman will be executed in its name. I know it's a minor aspect of this particular story but a rather interesting one nonetheless.
No, what is missed is the fact that they had two consecutive warp core breaches. What the hell? This is incompetance above and beyond the Starfleet norm- how the heck did they almost kill themselves, with no outside kick twice in such a short amount of time?

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 12:20pm
by Trogdor
Aw, c'mon Chuck, Rascals was fun. Sure, the premise was very silly, and it stomped on the Law of Conservation of Matter extremely hard, but it was executed surprisingly well, with a couple of really amusing little touches (such as the young Picard running his hands through his hair at the start of one scene). It's certainly leaps and bounds better than the one where Barclay becomes a spider, at any rate.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 12:27pm
by Bounty
Samuel wrote:
No, what is missed is the fact that they had two consecutive warp core breaches. What the hell? This is incompetance above and beyond the Starfleet norm- how the heck did they almost kill themselves, with no outside kick twice in such a short amount of time?
Try not to make a mess on the carpet please.

And try this newfangled thing called "knowing what the fuck you are blabbering about". I hear it's all the rage round these parts?
Q
You did so well with that I
decided to give you a real
challenge... the warp core
breach.
The second incident was not a Federation warp core, but a Tagran reactor of some sort that was damaged in a storm.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 01:14pm
by Samuel
You missed the part where Amanda uses her funky magic power to stop the core from exploding the first time? Or how she uses it a second time along with cleansing the planet which is the reason she has to go back to the continuum?

Since I'm feeling generous

1:59 we almost get Riker crushed by falling cargo.
2:05 we see the warp core explode and her stopping it from killing them all.
6:03 we hear Soonenburg talk about how
You see the reactor Riker and Geordi are at is going to explode and they can't be beamed out so Amanda uses her powers to stop it and wipes away all the pollution
Ah- sorry about the consecutive part. You sure the second reactor is on the planet?

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 02:13pm
by Bounty
You missed the part where Amanda uses her funky magic power to stop the core from exploding the first time?
You missed the part, which I quoted, where Q zaps in and says "my bad"?

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 05:16pm
by Samuel
Sorry- it has been a while since I say the episode- I was going off the video.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 08:36pm
by Sonnenburg
I didn't mention the details of the breach because they weren't relevant to what I was saying, and with the larger than normal examination at the end I had to cover the highlights as fast as possible to fit it in under eleven minutes.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-22 10:20pm
by Samuel
Sonnenburg wrote:I didn't mention the details of the breach because they weren't relevant to what I was saying, and with the larger than normal examination at the end I had to cover the highlights as fast as possible to fit it in under eleven minutes.
Sorry for derailing the thread. Trying to steer back on topic, how did Amanda become a Q? Her parents were Q's who choose to be human- does it carry on somehow, was it given to her by Q or am I missing something?

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-23 01:51am
by Tribun
Samuel wrote:
Sonnenburg wrote:I didn't mention the details of the breach because they weren't relevant to what I was saying, and with the larger than normal examination at the end I had to cover the highlights as fast as possible to fit it in under eleven minutes.
Sorry for derailing the thread. Trying to steer back on topic, how did Amanda become a Q? Her parents were Q's who choose to be human- does it carry on somehow, was it given to her by Q or am I missing something?
Must be one of these things where the writers decide that it simply is that way and don't care for the "why" and "how". I for my part don't think they wasted any thought on that.

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-23 05:41pm
by JME2
Trogdor wrote:Aw, c'mon Chuck, Rascals was fun. Sure, the premise was very silly, and it stomped on the Law of Conservation of Matter extremely hard, but it was executed surprisingly well, with a couple of really amusing little touches (such as the young Picard running his hands through his hair at the start of one scene). It's certainly leaps and bounds better than the one where Barclay becomes a spider, at any rate.
Anything is better than "Genesis" (well, excluding VGR's "Threshold", of course).

Re: OVEG/ONGEG: Cold Fire & True Q

Posted: 2009-06-29 07:19pm
by Big Orange
JME2 wrote: Anything is better than "Genesis" (well, excluding VGR's "Threshold", of course).
"Genesis" was a Jump the Shark moment for Brannon Braga and introduced to Trek more of the cod evolution bollocks that reached its crescendo in "Threshold".

Braga also co-wrote the weird and boring "Sub Rosa" alongside Jeri Taylor, although on a brighter note he penned "Parallels" (one of my favourite TNG episodes), I didn't mind "Phantasms" (I enjoyed it more than "Gambit"), and he co-wrote "All Good Things" (the only Trek series finale I genuinely liked, though Braga must've concocted the slightly ridiculous "anti-time" BS). "Cold Fire" and "True Q" both got the reviews they deserved, and while not aggressively awful episodes, they were little more than just adequate, although I give "True Q" a 6/10 since the guest character did not particularily bother me. I thought "Rascals" was harmless fun as well.