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OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-11 11:01pm
by Sonnenburg
From last week (was gone for the holiday): Tapestry
Video
From today: In The Pale Moonlight (and a followup if it matters)
Video
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 12:10am
by Questor
Chuck those were wonderful. I really love the editorials you do every once in a while. While you make jokes about "magnetic balls" you really seem to put a lot of thought into these.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 12:16am
by neoolong
Great episodes, and great reviews. Thanks.
I loved the end of In the Pale Moonlight with the repetition.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 12:28am
by JediMaster415
As I said earlier today, In the Pale Moonlight is perhaps my favorite Star Trek episode ever so I can only thank you for reviewing it. I really love dark character pieces, especially when the main character faces a decision anyone could face. In this case, which is the lesser evil? You were able to highlight the points that made the episode so wonderful.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 01:42am
by Samuel
Nice humor at the beginning, seriously afterwards a good touch.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 02:35am
by Stofsk
I loved your 'Tapestry' review, and I'm gonna watch the other review now.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 02:37am
by Samuel
Stofsk wrote:I loved your 'Tapestry' review, and I'm gonna watch the other review now.
It has two parts. I might comment on the second when I am not unconscious.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 03:09am
by Prannon
There was a very strange moment at the end of your review to Tapestry. I was actually inspired. I've been going through a bit of a funk lately regarding things I've done in my past, and the idea that mistakes I've made were bad but helpful in my development really helped to lift me. It's a shame that we didn't see more of these kinds of episodes in all of Trek, because that's a really uplifting and helpful kind of optimism, not just the idea that humanity will be better than we are now.
As for In the Pale Moonlight, I'm a little stunned at how well delivered the lines were between Sisko, Garak, and Quark. I grew up on Voyager (loved it, but I was young and didn't know better), so I haven't had exposure to that kind of quality. I just wanna thank you, Mr. Sonnenberg, for bringing these episodes to light as the masterpieces of trek they are.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 04:18am
by Kuja
"Damn. If everyone who's died is greeted by their worst enemy in judges' robes, it's no wonder cadavers crap themselves."
I had to pause the video after this line because I damn near hurt myself laughing. Jesus Chuck, of all the jokes you've ever cracked in these videos, this one is pure, solid gold.
The same can be said for these reviews. I think these are the best I've ever seen from you.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 05:33am
by Glom
The line of Garak's at the end is so well delivered it sent shivers down my spine.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 06:14am
by Crazedwraith
"Well, He's just a brewer with an opinion" I love that line and I like both of these reviews because they're heavier on the follow up than some of your reviews. I like your recaps which are often quite amusing but I like the long winded philosophical stuff better.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 08:54am
by Steve
All the videos were good, but the second video was especially excellent and thought-provoking. People do sometimes forget that tolerance means not just putting up with people who are different from you but people who disagree with you. It doesn't require you to agree with them but simply accept having to co-exist with them.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 09:45am
by Ghost Rider
Both are fantastic episodes, one actually using Q as something more then "Me superbeing...you puny mortal, what say you!". The fact he actually taught something to Picard was even better when you think about how much of Trek is usually the humans teaching some supreme creature what it means to be human. As if it was something only a bunch of idjits from Earth knew of.
The DS9 episode was excellent, just amazed you didn't use the last line because it for me encapsulated what was different. Sisko is torn but in the end, he would do it again because he knows it's the only way.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 11:45am
by tim31
Avery Brooks' delivery of the line nails it; I'm pressed to imagine Picard saying it, and Janeway wouldn't because as the esteemed reviewer points out time and again, she is written to be infallible, once and for all.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 02:29pm
by Thanas
Wow.
Chuck, you really did treat yourself to some good trek (finally). I have to say your tapestry review was perfect.
Inter arma enim silent leges just always struck me as more moving - because in here, the Federation screws over a dedicated, patriotic individual who has done nothing wrong and is not a condescending jackass. Without half the need as in "The Pale Moonlight".
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 02:51pm
by JME2
tim31 wrote:Avery Brooks' delivery of the line nails it; I'm pressed to imagine Picard saying it, and Janeway wouldn't because as the esteemed reviewer points out time and again, she is written to be infallible, once and for all.
Yeah, Brooks could go a little over board in his performances, especially early in the series, but I think this episode is tied with "Far Beyond the Stars" as his best performance in the series.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 08:56pm
by Wyrm
Not one, but two 10-ers! What a treat!
Verily, they are amongst Trek's best moments. If only this was the worst Trek had to offer!
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 10:39pm
by Sonnenburg
Thanks a lot, everyone. I came very close to not posting the follow-up; in addition to the normal time I invest in it, Saturday morning I wound up spending four hours reworking it over and over, and basically I set the whole thing to process and walked away for a while. Finally I just said to hell with it and posted it, so I'm glad it went over well.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-12 11:33pm
by Junghalli
Glom wrote:The line of Garak's at the end is so well delivered it sent shivers down my spine.
It's a definite candidate for the cool quotes list I keep in my computer.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-13 03:04am
by Stofsk
Sonnenburg wrote:Thanks a lot, everyone. I came very close to not posting the follow-up; in addition to the normal time I invest in it, Saturday morning I wound up spending four hours reworking it over and over, and basically I set the whole thing to process and walked away for a while. Finally I just said to hell with it and posted it, so I'm glad it went over well.
Out of curiosity, what other 10-star episodes do you have in mind? Not that I don't like the standard "Let's tear this crappy episode a new asshole" review, but I find I like your positive reviews of Trek's best. It's... sorta refreshing.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-13 04:33am
by tim31
If you think of a worthy candidate Stofsk, I might pony up the fifty bucks(or whatever it is) to see it done.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-13 06:12am
by Stofsk
I could probably suggest a dozen or so episodes that are on the higher end of the scale.
I didn't realise you could request a review if you greased the wheels a bit. Although it isn't surprising. I, too, would work for money.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-13 08:51am
by Sonnenburg
It is all in support of the site, though. All the money so far has been used for me to make computer upgrades so that I can improve the quality of the product. In fact, in a couple hours I'm taking the latest donation money and seeing if I can buy a better microphone, so I can say the letter "p" without killing small birds.
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-13 10:05am
by tim31
Or you could trade the Caddy for a microphone?
Re: OEG: Tapestry & In The Pale Moonlight
Posted: 2009-07-13 12:47pm
by Tsyroc
tim31 wrote:
Or you could trade the Caddy for a microphone?
Nice.
I'd also like to see what kind of old police car he could at get auction in this day and age.