[Poll] Worst Trek movie

[Deathstalker]

The Deathstalker was debating a friend on which is the worst movie.

Just looking for to see what everyone here thought.

I plan to gloat or concede depending on the poll results.

[Gandalf]

Where is TMP? Practically nothing ever happens, and it's twenty minutes longer than the other you've mentioned.

TFF at least has the crew we know and love, and Nemesis... is easily forgettable.

[Batman]

Why is there even an option OTHER than Nemesis? The Motionless Picture was boring as hell what with nothing happening most of the time but at least gave us the beautiful refit E-nil, and TFF was STUPID but at least it occasionally was so in entertaining ways. Nemesis has absolutely positively NO redeeming qualities.

[AMT]

Why is there even an option OTHER than Nemesis? The Motionless Picture was boring as hell what with nothing happening most of the time but at least gave us the beautiful refit E-nil, and TFF was STUPID but at least it occasionally was so in entertaining ways. Nemesis has absolutely positively NO redeeming qualities.

Eh. I enjoyed the starship fight scenes in it.

[Bounty]

Nemesis.

TFF was a poor movie in many ways, but what it had over Nemesis was the a strong undercurrent throughout that people were honestly trying to make a great movie and just not getting there. When it failed, it failed because it was too ambitious, because Shatner wanted to tell a story that just didn't fit the budget, skills or time he had at hand. Once you get past its goofiness you start to realise it's one of those loveable glorious failures; yes, it's bad, but even a cursory knowledge of what was going on behind the scenes makes it clear that it was a failure despite the efforts of the people working on it and not because of them.

With Nemesis, you just get this sticky feeling that nobody had any passion about it. The plot, acting and directing all feel by-the-numbers; it lurches from predictable setpiece to predictable setpiece and seems to try and do nothing but pander to what the writer or director thought would please an action movie crowd. There's just no life in it at all.

This is actually why I do like Insurrection; if nothing else it at least had some heart. With Nemesis, you get the feeling it only has marketing.

[tim31]

With Nemesis, you just get this sticky feeling that nobody had any passion about it. The plot, acting and directing all feel by-the-numbers; it lurches from predictable setpiece to predictable setpiece and seems to try and do nothing but pander to what the writer or director thought would please an action movie crowd. There's just no life in it at all.

Which makes it poignant that the cast reunion to play themselves on a recent episode of Family Guy came across as a much better send off for them as a group; especially so since they were recording their lines on different schedules.

[Ghost Rider]

Nemesis, easily.

STV was bad, filled with bizarre directions and such not...but we also get a few good Kirk moments and general character moments. Nemesis had really none of that. We had a villain that had no logical reason to attack Earth, had a life threatening aliment that never seemed to be anything more then a side note, and a space battle that could've been decent porn but wasn't even bad Skinamax levels and finally the characters acted as if they were just standing there.

[Darth Paxis]

Nemesis, although I'm not that big a fan of STIV, mostly because my favorite thing about Star Trek when I was a child was the Enterprise, so its absense kind of ruined it for me. If I went and watched it again, I probably would enjoy it, but I've never really had the time to.

[Havok]

Nemesis.
As others have said, TFF had some great moments character wise and some great lines. It also still felt like Trek. Nemesis felt like a mash of grimdark, stupidity (HELLO!!! ANYONE REMEMBER FUCKING LORE?!?!) and false urgency.

[Havok]

Nemesis, although I'm not that big a fan of STIV, mostly because my favorite thing about Star Trek when I was a child was the Enterprise, so its absense kind of ruined it for me. If I went and watched it again, I probably would enjoy it, but I've never really had the time to.

Yeah, wrong movie dude. The option is for V,The Final Frontier, not IV, The Voyage Home. The were in the Enterprise A in V.

[Darth Paxis]

Nemesis, although I'm not that big a fan of STIV, mostly because my favorite thing about Star Trek when I was a child was the Enterprise, so its absense kind of ruined it for me. If I went and watched it again, I probably would enjoy it, but I've never really had the time to.

Yeah, wrong movie dude. The option is for V,The Final Frontier, not IV, The Voyage Home. The were in the Enterprise A in V.

I know, I was talking about The Voyage Home. I was merely stating an opinion.

[Havok]

Uh... OK. No opinion on the actual OP question?

'Nemisis, although I like chocolate milk, because it comes in a glass like my mom used to make.'

[RedImperator]

Nemesis actually remains the only Trek movie I've never seen, not even in bits and pieces like I have The Final Frontier. I should probably watch it just for completeness's sake.

[Chris OFarrell]

This is a very tough question, but I'd have to say Nemesis JUST edges out TFF when I add and subtract all the pro's and cons (mostly cons) of each movie.

[Darth Paxis]

Uh... OK. No opinion on the actual OP question?

'Nemisis, although I like chocolate milk, because it comes in a glass like my mom used to make.'

Nemesis, although I'm not that big a fan of STIV, mostly because my favorite thing about Star Trek when I was a child was the Enterprise, so its absense kind of ruined it for me. If I went and watched it again, I probably would enjoy it, but I've never really had the time to.

I was just adding that I didn't really like ST4. I voted for Nemesis.

[Big Orange]

The Final Frontier is worse than Nemesis, but only marginally. Both movies feel creatively worn out and pretty mean spirited in tone, they both have some decent character moments (the camping trip and wedding) but then V gets bogged down in very, very badly made set pieces (look at the proposed rock monster that was thankfully dropped), while Nemesis gets bogged down in a pretentious, emotionally hollow storyline (though hey, at least the window dressing is not appalling).

[Patrick Degan]

Nemesis, hands-down. As I said almost exactly seven years ago when this turd of a movie came out:

Star Trek: Nemesis did not quite plumb the depths of sheer stupidity as Worst Contact did —which was Voyager-level stupid. But on the other hand, Nemesis seemed to be a rather flat and dull runaround which was only very vaguely a TNG film or a Star Trek film at all, for that matter. The plot could have been written for any random set of characters; they just happened to be the TNG crew, within Trek settings which seemed to have been picked entirely at random. And what is worse is that the movie has all of Insurrection's defects: nothing in Nemesis really gels together or follows logically from A to B to so forth.

For all of the backstory devoted to Picard's EvilClone Skippy, any Star Trek alien race could have served as his enslavers who sent him to rot in the dilithium mines for plot purposes. In large measure, it almost seems as if the story writers simply picked the Romulans at random draw just to provide Skippy with some backstory, anydamn backstory to justify his presence in the movie. But it all has the feeling of being very contrived. There is no natural sense of Skippy's history to really connect the audience to his background or motives, or make us care about him as the particular threat against the TNG heroes. Indeed, just about every major plot point seems to be driven by nothing more than convenience simply to keep driving the movie forward.

The playwright Anton Chekhov once stated a very basic rule of drama by pointing out that if you show a gun hanging on a wall in Act One, you must use it by the end of Act Three. Nemesis is chok-a-block with guns hanging on wall-racks to be fired off within the last half hour of the movie.

What, for example, is the purpose of the entire subplot where Skippy psychically rapes Deanna? Simply to make us hate him all the more? Or just to provide the Big Plot Device during the battle between the Enterprise and the Scimitar which proves the only means of detecting Skippy's Battleship of Doom behind its ubercloak? Hanging gun number one.

Why does Skippy's Number One Female Captain conveniently spot her fuhrer doubling over in pain in one scene, then to have a sudden change of heart about annihilating every human on Earth; a plan she had no problem with when conspiring to knock off the entire Romulan senate? So that she can ride to the Enteprise's rescue in the Valdore by Act Three to keep the movie from ending too soon. Hanging gun number two.

Why the big scene where Data, disguised as B4, shows off his little emergency transporter coin to Picard? So that he can use it to beam his captain to safety just before the Big Moment of heroic self-sacrifice at movie's climax. Hanging gun number three.

And why the utterly pointless and poorly photographed armed dune buggy race on the planet where B4 is found? To set us up for Picard's little run through the Scimitar's corridors in the Scorpion fightercraft. Hanging gun number four.

Why the entire plot thread with B4, who later turns out to be a spy device for Skippy? So that Data can infiltrate the Scimitar and rescue Picard while feeding the enemy false information in the bargain. Hanging gun number five.

It wasn't that the plot points were telegraphed to the audience, they were announced with bullhorns, with neon signs flashing. There was no subtletly to the set up of any major scene in the whole film. And this lack of subtlety extended not only to the plot points, but the plot complications as well. Skippy kidnaps Picard in the middle of the movie to sample his blood. We later learn that only a full transfusion of Picard's blood or marrow or ribosomes or whatever will prevent Skippy from ageing to death, so that prevents the immediate destruction of the Enterprise when Skippy's got her in the gunsights and thus stretches out the showdown battle. We are told that Skippy's ubermicrowave ultimate weapon will require seven full minutes to charge up and deploy for firing, so this gives Picard and Data the margin of safety they need to infiltrate the Battleship of Doom and destroy it.

The remaining plot elements which supposedly provided the support for the whole wobbly structure of the movie only help to undermine it even further. For example: who couldn't have figured out that B4 was going to be trouble? Given previous bad experience with all of Dr. Soong's other androids, what made Picard, Data, or Geordi imagine that things would be any different with this clicker? The very second we see B4 at a computer console with no guards in the room, we know right off that this is only going to lead to trouble. Particularly when Geordi and Data spot a redundant memory port in B4's head which Data doesn't seem to have.

Our "fears" seem confirmed when Skippy's got Picard in his playroom and "B4" walks in, ready to download the stolen files into Skippy's PC. Only —surprise— it turns out to be Data in disguise.

So when was the switch made? When did they discover what B4 was up to on the Enterprise? How did they overpower him? And when did they have time to build that extra memory port into Data's head to fool Skippy? Because the download link was plugged into the "redundant memory port" on "B4". Never once does the movie consider it necessary to wallpaper over this rather gaping plot hole.

Skippy's got Picard nice and secure, but instead of simply extracting the genetic material he needs to live at the very moment he's got Picard helpless and available, Skippy's got to be one of these boring maniacs who likes to gloat and, like any James Bond villain, conveniently leaves the room to allow Picard's escape —just about the clumsiest plot device of the entire damn movie in fact.

The Remans live permanently on the dark side of Remus. They cannot stand bright light. At the initial meeting between EvilClone Skippy and the Enterprise officers, this weakness is spotlighted (pun intended). During the Enterprise/Scimitar combat, a Reman boarding party beams over to the Enterprise to grab Picard. We can only conclude that at their ages, the Enterprise command crew are starting to have short-term memory problems, since none of them even think to turn up the ship's lighting to the bright setting.

It seems to be at least two days travel between Romulus to Earth. EvilClone Skippy hasn't got a whole hell of a lot of time to execute his Horrific Plan™, yet he wastes so much of it gloating over Picard and trying to arrange his kidnap to get the genetic material he needs to live which he neglected to get when he had Baldy Sr. in his grasp! You don't even have this incompetence in a Republic serial villain, and he ends up wasting so much time that it's an almost certain bet that he'll die before the Battleship of Doom reaches Earth.

When Deanna is telepathically contacting Skippy's Reman Viceroy, why can't Skippy figure out what's going on and shoot his Viceroy to prevent his ship's position from being given away? When the Enterprise rams the Scimitar, why doesn't Picard have a tractor beam activated to keep the two ships locked together? When Picard is killing his way up to the Scimitar's bridge to stop the ubermicrowave, why doesn't he shoot Skippy when he's got him in the gunsights? And when Skippy dies on the end of the shaft Picard rammed into his guts, why does Picard just stand postrate with grief over the little bastard who just tried to kill him twice, psychically raped his counsellor, and is planning to kill Earth —and fucking does NOTHING as his ship is in the gunsights and the countdown to his own crew's deaths is ticking?!?! Simply because his economy-pack twin never realised his potential?!

Nemesis quite simply was bullshit from start to finish. The Final Frontier may have had lousy SFX, clumsy moments and plot problems of its own, but it had a better core idea and some great character moments —including Kirk's "I need my pain" speech.

[Deathstalker]

Just wanted to thank every one who participated. The Deathstalker believes Nemesis is the worst movie, and looks forward to showing this thread to my friend.

[Havok]

Just wanted to thank every one who participated.

You're welcome.

The Deathstalker believes...

Stop that.

[Ghost Rider]

The Deathstalker believes

Remember to use "WHO DARES!" whenever someone screws up your order in a bar or restaurant

[Darth Fanboy]

Can I put in a write in for Insurrection? I mean Nemesis was a wretched turd of a movie but I thought it was marginally better than Insurrection.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Can I put in a write in for Insurrection? I mean Nemesis was a wretched turd of a movie but I thought it was marginally better than Insurrection.

I have to agree with this. Nemesis was a disappointing movie that was ultimately forgettable, but Insurrection made me hate the entire TNG franchise for a while. Where Nemesis was bland and by the numbers and stupid, Insurrection was offensive, self-righteous in the worst ways and stupid. I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I tend to hate preachy movies, especially when the message is so despicable. "The needs of the Amish outweigh the needs of billions."

[Gramzamber]

Can I put in a write in for Insurrection? I mean Nemesis was a wretched turd of a movie but I thought it was marginally better than Insurrection.

I have to agree with this. Nemesis was a disappointing movie that was ultimately forgettable, but Insurrection made me hate the entire TNG franchise for a while. Where Nemesis was bland and by the numbers and stupid, Insurrection was offensive, self-righteous in the worst ways and stupid. I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I tend to hate preachy movies, especially when the message is so despicable. "The needs of the Amish outweigh the needs of billions."

I fully agree here. This kind of bullshit really pissed me off more than Nemesis' blandness ever could.
What was the message of this movie supposed to be? "The immortality of these pissant luddites is worth more than millions of YOU plebs"? Maybe it would work if they were at all likable. Except they're not, especially that head guy.
Preachy moronic bastard. "When machines do the work of man you take something away from that man." Yeah. You take away back-breaking labour and can persue better past times, idiot. Oh and oh wait you have forges and fucking lake pumps! That isn't a machine? Fuck you! Oh yeah and they haven't touched modern tech in 300 years but know how to fix Data? Sure.

[Sidewinder]

I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I tend to hate preachy movies, especially when the message is so despicable. "The needs of the Amish outweigh the needs of billions."

I fourth 'Insurrection'. Like Keanu Reeves' 'The Day the Earth Stood Still', the message it preaches is apparently "If you're a human being, YOU SUCK! You should just die for the good of the universe!" or "You and your entire race should just die so a SUPERIOR BEING can replace you all!" I guess it's a sign of how detached from reality the filmmakers are (producer, screenwriter, director), that they failed to realize the positive message they intend to give, may be buried under the negative one they did NOT intend to give.

[blacksun2175]

I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but I tend to hate preachy movies, especially when the message is so despicable. "The needs of the Amish outweigh the needs of billions."

I fourth 'Insurrection'. Like Keanu Reeves' 'The Day the Earth Stood Still', the message it preaches is apparently "If you're a human being, YOU SUCK! You should just die for the good of the universe!" or "You and your entire race should just die so a SUPERIOR BEING can replace you all!" I guess it's a sign of how detached from reality the filmmakers are (producer, screenwriter, director), that they failed to realize the positive message they intend to give, may be buried under the negative one they did NOT intend to give.

I agree the whole plot behind insurection was horrible. The fact that the rest of the universe can't have the key to imortalty because a bunch of hippies don't want to give up their home is bullsht.