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VGR Clip request for analysis, Beyond Visual Range

Posted: 2009-12-16 11:39pm
by Alyeska
I am looking for a clip from the Voyager episode Non Sequitur. Specifically, I am looking for footage from the chase between the Yellowstone subclass Runabout and a Nebula class ship chasing it. There is some interesting dialog and visual footage that I would like to examine and discuss.

Going from memory here, the Nebula class fired at the Runabout from beyond visual range, BVR. This is significant because we are working with established sizes here. From the perspective of the Runabout, it was fired on by the Nebula, which could not be spotted. The phaser fire missed the Runabout by scant meters. This example gives us a good idea of the range capabilities of phaser fire as well as the accuracy capabilities at a variety of ranges. The episode also contained some interesting dialog. If someone could create a clip of the entire event, that would be appreciated. Some screen caps of choice moments, such as an example of the Nebula when it is outside of viewable range, would be helpful.

vivftp over at SB.com has posted dialog from the episode, and it is as follows.
KIM: They're going to try to do everything they can to stop us. They think we're trying to steal this prototype.
PARIS: They're closing to five thousand kilometers.
KIM: Shields down to 70 percent. 50 percent. 29 percent.
PARIS: I thought you said this ship was new and improved.
KIM: It is, but it looks like they haven't finished working on the defensive systems. In fact, some of the safety interlocks aren't even in place. A few more of those hits and I don't. We're losing antimatter containment. Attempting to stabilize the field.
PARIS: We're approaching the co-ordinates of the time stream.
KIM: The containment field is weakening. We could be looking at a core breach.
PARIS: The ship's closing to three thousand kilometers.
As I do not have access to the episode, I do not know when this dialog occurs in relation to the visual combat incidents. Anyone with access to the Voyager dvds, your help is appreciated.

Re: VGR Clip request for analysis, Beyond Visual Range

Posted: 2009-12-17 01:10am
by Atavarius
A friend has all of Voyager on DVD and I'll see if i can borrow it from him and get you the clip you need.

Re: VGR Clip request for analysis, Beyond Visual Range

Posted: 2009-12-17 02:33pm
by Alyeska
vivftp over at SB.com provided the following clip of the incident.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wz3rbwujzlg
KIM: They're going to try to do everything they can to stop us. They think we're trying to steal this prototype.
PARIS: They're closing to five thousand kilometers.
Que Nebula begining to fire on the Runabout
KIM: Shields down to 70 percent. 50 percent. 29 percent.
PARIS: I thought you said this ship was new and improved.
KIM: It is, but it looks like they haven't finished working on the defensive systems. In fact, some of the safety interlocks aren't even in place. A few more of those hits and I don't. We're losing antimatter containment. Attempting to stabilize the field.
PARIS: We're approaching the co-ordinates of the time stream.
KIM: The containment field is weakening. We could be looking at a core breach.
PARIS: The ship's closing to three thousand kilometers.
From :06 to :08 Paris states "They're closing to five thousand kilometers."

From :44 to :46 Paris says "The ship's closing to three thousand kilometers."

It gained aproximately 2,000 KM in relation to the Runabout in 38 seconds. That is about 52.6km per second closure

The first phaser shot occurs right as the clock changes from :09 to :10.

We can use 5,000km as the maximum distance. We can use the time stamp and reach a distance of about 4,894.8km for the first shot taking dialog and time into account. And we can then calculate the absolute minimum distance on visuals alone.

What I need help with is trying to figure out the distance at which the ship would become effectively invisible.

Re: VGR Clip request for analysis, Beyond Visual Range

Posted: 2009-12-18 09:09pm
by NecronLord
Babtech has a handy reckoner here that may be of some use, though it doesn't let you input your own values.

Linky.

Perhaps there's a more flexible subtended angle calculator on the net. You could (and will probably end up doing the math) instead, there's a get the equations link, but it seems the target is dead, and I'm far too tired to be of any more use there. :wink: