StarDestroyer.Net BBS

OK, sfdebris has put up a review for The Undiscovered Country, which while not without its flaws (the original core USS Enterprise were getting way too old and the satire of the Cold War is bit hamfisted) was still a vast improvement over The Final Frontier:







The sound quality's a bit tinny.

Aww, I was hoping for an "opinionated" Review of the movie, Chuck really does the best ones, but this was still quite good.

OK Im an idiot, I saw the name and didn't recognize the title of it till AFTER I started watching it, so it IS One of chucks reviews >_<

Anyone know which line Nichols refused to say that had to be given to Koenig?

tim31 wrote:Anyone know which line Nichols refused to say that had to be given to Koenig?

It was "Guess who's coming to dinner." I remember hearing the reason for it once but can't remember the details.

I suspected that might be the case. The reference is pretty obvious.

'Do you deny being demoted for these charges!? DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION! Answer me now!'

Always loved that delivery.

Luke Starkiller wrote: It was "Guess who's coming to dinner." I remember hearing the reason for it once but can't remember the details.

It's a direct reference to this movie.

The 'straight on til morning' quote has a second meaning as of Generations, when Kirk is living in his neverland.

Also, not to sound conceited, but the undiscovered country and relation to the soliloquy needed deconstruction? I always thought it was fairly obvious.

Another great review. Once again Chuck delivers...I busted out laughing right at the teaser.

I can remember when I first saw this movie at its New Orleans premier how Cliff Eidelman's opening title theme, with its dark and ominous tone, just sent ripples up my spine. It was very different from all previous Star Trek music and immediately set the mood for the entire film. I was riveted right to the ending cast sign-offs. Paramount had one shot to recover the franchise from the near-disaster that had been Star Trek V and they took the right one. The flaws and glaring plot-devices were also very evident, but the story not only hung together but gave the sort of serious drama which TMP tried so hard to do and lost it in its own tediousness.

Ah, the glorious return of Broken Umbrella Pimp and Wicker Supersize.

Excellent review. STVI was my favorite of the lot.

One nice little touch in the film is in the scene in Spock's quarters between Spock and Valeris, when she is expressing her fears of the future and couching them in terms of logic, to which Spock, half-amused, says "Logic, logic and logic... Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end." Nimoy delivered the line in the same manner as Jane Wyatt in "Journey To Babel", having Spock imitating his mother. I'm not sure if it was scripted or improvised, but it made for one of those perfect "little" moments which added a richer texture to the scene.

I was wondering how you were going to end the classic movie series. I am not disapointed and i do think that ST6 is a pretty good final sendoff for the TOS cast.

That said, i heard some people number of people discribe ST6 as being slow and plodding. I, for one don't but there are people which do, i thought you might have commented on that aspect of it. Maybe there are just less of them than originally suspected.

Zor

Zor wrote:I am not disapointed and i do think that ST6 is a pretty good final sendoff for the TOS cast.

Hey, 20 years later and it's still my favorite Trek film.

Patrick Degan wrote:Paramount had one shot to recover the franchise from the near-disaster that had been Star Trek V

ST V was a full on disaster and it was the more consistant quality introduced by Michael Pillar in the third season of TNG and the emotional attachement to TOS cast that rebounded the Star Trek franchise to allow a final TOS movie.

The flaws and glaring plot-devices were also very evident, but the story not only hung together but gave the sort of serious drama which TMP tried so hard to do and lost it in its own tediousness.

The Motion Picture had weird, sluggish pacing and vanished up its own naval, trying to ape the tone set by 2001, but at least it had some genuine heart to it and quality in the production (ST V had a bit of heart to it, yet lacked in production and scripting quality). The strange alien AI plot was done better in The Voyage Home and The Wrath of Khan, made in reaction to TMP's mixed reviews and atypical plot to better success, led directly to Nemesis.

The Undiscovered Country's main problem was that it was a parable to the Cold War drawing to a close delivered as subtly as a sledgehammer (that mining world blowing up was of course Chenobyl and that icy Klingon slave mine was a spoof of a Siberian gulag).

I heard rumors that Kim Cattrall was taking naughty photos of herself.

Big Orange wrote:

Luke Starkiller wrote: It was "Guess who's coming to dinner." I remember hearing the reason for it once but can't remember the details.

It's a direct reference to this movie.

OUCH. No wonder.

Big Orange wrote:I heard rumors that Kim Cattrall was taking naughty photos of herself.

More than rumors. She and a photographer got onset in the middle of the night and she posed in the Captain's chair wearing nothing but a smile. Nimoy found out and got ahold of the photos, and told her if a single negative ever got out he'd make sure she never worked for paramount or anyone else ever again.

Can you imagine anything more terrifying than Leonard Nimoy ANGRY?

edit: Another line Nichols refused to say, according to some behind-the-scenes stuff was "Yeah, but would you let your daughter marry one of them?" about Klingons.

One of the other funny asides of shooting, is for a movie Al Pacino was starring in, and under production ("Frankie and Johnny") at the same time as TUC, the director needed Pacino to have a surprised expression after opening a door. To get a good "shocked" look out of Pacino, the director arranged to have Shatner and Nimoy be on the other side of the door....as Kirk and Spock. It apparently worked.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

Big Orange wrote:I heard rumors that Kim Cattrall was taking naughty photos of herself.

More than rumors. She and a photographer got onset in the middle of the night and she posed in the Captain's chair wearing nothing but a smile. Nimoy found out and got ahold of the photos, and told her if a single negative ever got out he'd make sure she never worked for paramount or anyone else ever again.

Can you imagine anything more terrifying than Leonard Nimoy ANGRY?

edit: Another line Nichols refused to say, according to some behind-the-scenes stuff was "Yeah, but would you let your daughter marry one of them?" about Klingons.

I can understand Nimoy's anger, but...damn if I wouldn't love to see those.

Molyneux wrote: I can understand Nimoy's anger, but...damn if I wouldn't love to see those.

You'll see more than enough of Kim Cattrall if you purchase DVDs of Sex in the City and Above Suspicion...

Next movie to be reviewed is Star Trek VII: Generations, a Star Trek movie that seems to generate a similar kind of Marmite reaction from fans and critics like The Motion Picture and The Search for Spock do. Clearly not as bad as Insurrection and Nemesis, but not quite great either.

I think the Star Trek films (not the TNG ones) form a good microcosm of the whole franchise. Either they're really good, stupid but, for absolute shit. And you don't know what you're going to get until you just dive in and bite the bullet.

Big Orange wrote:

Molyneux wrote: I can understand Nimoy's anger, but...damn if I wouldn't love to see those.

You'll see more than enough of Kim Cattrall if you purchase DVDs of Sex in the City and Above Suspicion...

Next movie to be reviewed is Star Trek VII: Generations, a Star Trek movie that seems to generate a similar kind of Marmite reaction from fans and critics like The Motion Picture and The Search for Spock do. Clearly not as bad as Insurrection and Nemesis, but not quite great either.

Yes, but...then I would have to watch Sex and the City!
I still haven't actually seen most of The Motion Picture. Something to pick up from the library next chance I get; last time I checked it was out.