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"This modification was due to be introduced..."
"In the next class starship." -Leah and Geordi

If the modification (which supposedly was a positive change) was due for the next class starship, why was Geordi able to implement it on the Enterprise? And if he could do that, why hasn't the procedure been carried out on all Federation starships? (or at least all Galaxy-class starships)

Uraniun235 wrote:"This modification was due to be introduced..."
"In the next class starship." -Leah and Geordi

If the modification (which supposedly was a positive change) was due for the next class starship, why was Geordi able to implement it on the Enterprise? And if he could do that, why hasn't the procedure been carried out on all Federation starships? (or at least all Galaxy-class starships)

This is Star Trek, remember? Everything lasts for one episode.

Now, what was the next class to be introduced after the Galaxy?

Warspite wrote: This is Star Trek, remember? Everything lasts for one episode.

That's not always the case.

The engine modification they're discussing in "Galaxy's Child" -- a reorientation of the dilithium crystals -- was something Geordi originally implemented in "Booby Trap".

Also, the deflector-dish blast used against the Borg in "Best of Both Worlds" was attempted again in "Night Terrors", and random shield fluctuation was repeated a couple of times following BoBW (although it was inexplicably forgotten in Generations).

Warspite wrote:

Uraniun235 wrote:"This modification was due to be introduced..."
"In the next class starship." -Leah and Geordi

If the modification (which supposedly was a positive change) was due for the next class starship, why was Geordi able to implement it on the Enterprise? And if he could do that, why hasn't the procedure been carried out on all Federation starships? (or at least all Galaxy-class starships)

This is Star Trek, remember? Everything lasts for one episode.

Now, what was the next class to be introduced after the Galaxy?

I think he might have been referring to the Sovereign-class which was under development at that time if I recall correctly, since it was supposed to replace the Galaxy as the Federation's top-of-the-line battleship. (or was it??)

No, I think the Sovereign was to replace the Excelsior. The original replacement for the Galaxy was to be the Nova, but this changed and the name Nova went to a replacement for the very old Oberth.

Oh, and this is all non-canon speculation, some of which I can't even remember where I heard it.

Ted C wrote:The engine modification they're discussing in "Galaxy's Child" -- a reorientation of the dilithium crystals -- was something Geordi originally implemented in "Booby Trap".

Also, the deflector-dish blast used against the Borg in "Best of Both Worlds" was attempted again in "Night Terrors", and random shield fluctuation was repeated a couple of times following BoBW (although it was inexplicably forgotten in Generations).

Hum, only one implementation. The deflector blast it's different, since it's a tactical aplication under way, without requiring major modifications, or impeding alterations to the original design of the equipment, usually, tapping a few strokes on the touch-screens, put it in another, the original design allos for certain modifications to be carried at the "user's discretion".

An engine modification requires downtime, with the ship (possibly) in drydock, previous submittance of designs, inspections, and analysis, all the necessary paperwork to implement an alteration on the original design, and further introductions fleet-wide.

Unfortunately, since we only follow the adventures of the Enterprise, it's not possible to know if these alterations are implemented in other ships, or the deflector blast and shield fluctuation.

Warspite wrote: Hum, only one implementation. The deflector blast it's different, since it's a tactical aplication under way, without requiring major modifications, or impeding alterations to the original design of the equipment, usually, tapping a few strokes on the touch-screens, put it in another, the original design allos for certain modifications to be carried at the "user's discretion".

On the contrary, the deflector dish blast was not part of the deflector's design, and it took hours of preparation in both instances.

Warspite wrote: An engine modification requires downtime, with the ship (possibly) in drydock, previous submittance of designs, inspections, and analysis, all the necessary paperwork to implement an alteration on the original design, and further introductions fleet-wide.

Reorienting the Enterprise's dilithium crystals in "Booby Trap" apparently required little or no downtime, since the power from the reactor was necessary to maintain the shields against constant radiation bombardment from the asseton assimilators.

Warspite wrote: Unfortunately, since we only follow the adventures of the Enterprise, it's not possible to know if these alterations are implemented in other ships, or the deflector blast and shield fluctuation.

We might easily conclude that the modification to the warp core had not been implemented on other ships. When Leah Brahms visited the ship in "Galaxy's Child", she complained that Geordi had been "screwing up" her engines (or some similar derogatory remark). If the modification had been implemented throughout the fleet, such an opinion from her would be pretty odd. Also, in "The Masterpiece Society", Geordi claimed that the Enterprise had the most powerful M/AM warp reactor in Starfleet; the Enterprise being the only ship with his engine modification would justify that claim.

Ok, I need to get my hands on TNG DVD's...

Vympel wrote:No, I think the Sovereign was to replace the Excelsior. The original replacement for the Galaxy was to be the Nova, but this changed and the name Nova went to a replacement for the very old Oberth.

I thought that the Excelsior was replaced long ago by the Ambassador-class.

By the way, the Nova-class is one of the smaller ships in Starfleet, how the heck could such a ship be intended to replace a large battleship such as the Galaxy-class??

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
I thought that the Excelsior was replaced long ago by the Ambassador-class.

By the way, the Nova-class is one of the smaller ships in Starfleet, how the heck could such a ship be intended to replace a large battleship such as the Galaxy-class??

It's from the old TNG tech manual- re-read what I said. In the TM, it was said the next ship after the Galaxy successor class would be called Nova-class- obviosuly, plans changed.

Also note that the Soveriegn is much more of a battleship than a cruise liner (which is what the damn Galaxy is).

Vympel wrote:Also note that the Soveriegn is much more of a battleship than a cruise liner (which is what the damn Galaxy is).

Yeah, but in the TNG episode "Conundrum", one of the characters (can't remember which) described the Galaxy-class as a battleship.

Simon H.Johansen wrote: Yeah, but in the TNG episode "Conundrum", one of the characters (can't remember which) described the Galaxy-class as a battleship.

Yeah, but I meant in terms of what we see going on there- we've never seen families on a Sovereign, for example.

Simon H.Johansen wrote:

Vympel wrote:Also note that the Soveriegn is much more of a battleship than a cruise liner (which is what the damn Galaxy is).

Yeah, but in the TNG episode "Conundrum", one of the characters (can't remember which) described the Galaxy-class as a battleship.

Yeah but that was the alien posing as MacDuff it was in his interest to cast the Enterprise in a military light to further his own aims.

TheDarkling wrote:

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Yeah, but in the TNG episode "Conundrum", one of the characters (can't remember which) described the Galaxy-class as a battleship.

Yeah but that was the alien posing as MacDuff it was in his interest to cast the Enterprise in a military light to further his own aims.

Doesn't explain why the rest of the crew agreed with his assessment.

Darth Wong wrote:

TheDarkling wrote:

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Yeah, but in the TNG episode "Conundrum", one of the characters (can't remember which) described the Galaxy-class as a battleship.

Yeah but that was the alien posing as MacDuff it was in his interest to cast the Enterprise in a military light to further his own aims.

Doesn't explain why the rest of the crew agreed with his assessment.

No Worf agreed with his assesment - Worf, you know the guy who would probably describe a toothpick as an easily concealed but less than sturdy weapon.

Just to clarify- I'm not saying that the Galaxy is literally designed as the Love Boat, I just meant that the Sovereign doesn't seem to have the Galaxy's jack of all trades/ explorer/ family carrying idiocy mission.

Vympel wrote:Just to clarify- I'm not saying that the Galaxy is literally designed as the Love Boat, I just meant that the Sovereign doesn't seem to have the Galaxy's jack of all trades/ explorer/ family carrying idiocy mission.

While the Galaxy-class is a jack-of-all-trades, it was the most powerful ship in the Starfleet, until the first Sovereign-class vessels entered service.

Simon H.Johansen wrote:

Vympel wrote:Just to clarify- I'm not saying that the Galaxy is literally designed as the Love Boat, I just meant that the Sovereign doesn't seem to have the Galaxy's jack of all trades/ explorer/ family carrying idiocy mission.

While the Galaxy-class is a jack-of-all-trades, it was the most powerful ship in the Starfleet, until the first Sovereign-class vessels entered service.

Incorrect. The Warpod Nebula was more powerful. When the Akira came out it was more powerful.

Lets face it the Galaxy was a horse designed by a committe IE a camel .yes it looked good and did several tsks well,but wasnt a true warship.

Typhonis 1 wrote:Lets face it the Galaxy was a horse designed by a committe IE a camel .yes it looked good and did several tsks well,but wasnt a true warship.

Since it was invariably called into action whenever the Federation faced a military threat, it was obviously the best "warship" they had, even if it was a lousy design for that job.

You'd think that a government that had recently fought a war against the Cardassians would design at least a few genuine combat vessels, but they bought this armed luxury liner instead. It took the Borg to get them off their asses to design the Defiant.

Ted C wrote:

Typhonis 1 wrote:Lets face it the Galaxy was a horse designed by a committe IE a camel .yes it looked good and did several tsks well,but wasnt a true warship.

Since it was invariably called into action whenever the Federation faced a military threat, it was obviously the best "warship" they had, even if it was a lousy design for that job.

You'd think that a government that had recently fought a war against the Cardassians would design at least a few genuine combat vessels, but they bought this armed luxury liner instead. It took the Borg to get them off their asses to design the Defiant.

The multi role feature and size of the Galaxy class made it an ideal ship to use when sending a message to others. However the Federation did have ships that could be considered combat designs. Nebulas with Warpods and New Orleans with their torpedo pods (theory).

The Akira and the Defiant are some examples. Then there is the Federation class and several Excelisors have been made with war in mind.

Admiral Johnason wrote:The Akira and the Defiant are some examples. Then there is the Federation class and several Excelisors have been made with war in mind.

Federation-class? I tought that it would have been obsolete in the 24th century.