whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

PST: discuss Star Trek without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

Post Reply
User avatar
mr friendly guy
The Doctor
Posts: 11235
Joined: 2004-12-12 10:55pm
Location: In a 1960s police telephone box somewhere in Australia

whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by mr friendly guy »

From the episode Paradise lost and the preceding episode homefront.

Basically Starfleet elements sabotage Earth's power stations and blame it on the Changlings in an attempt to implement martial law. During the episode Homefront Odo manages to detect a changling but he manages to escape. The changling visits Sisko in Paradise Lost disguised as O'Brien and tells Sisko that there are mainly 4 changlings on Earth not counting Odo.

So whatever happened to those 4 changlings throughout the series. Was there any mention of them afterwards?
Never apologise for being a geek, because they won't apologise to you for being an arsehole. John Barrowman - 22 June 2014 Perth Supernova.

Countries I have been to - 14.
Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
User avatar
Gandalf
SD.net White Wizard
Posts: 16358
Joined: 2002-09-16 11:13pm
Location: A video store in Australia

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by Gandalf »

I think Behr or Moore once mentioned that they were still running around sabotaging things, but it was all off screen.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

- A.B. Original, Report to the Mist

"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin
SeaTrooper
Youngling
Posts: 126
Joined: 2010-08-31 03:04am
Location: Darwin, Oz

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by SeaTrooper »

Would they not have been infected with the virus created at the command of Section 31? Once they began showing visible symptoms (rotting away on the outside), then they should have been identified and picked up in fairly quick order. Unless, of course, they'd escaped Earth by then.

Perhaps there are even Conspiracy Theorists within the Fed claiming that Section 31 has a couple of captive Founders in a secret lab somewhere...
"Know Enough To Be Afraid" - Transylvania Polygnostic

The Royal Navy has not survived for so long by setting an example for others,
but by making an example of those others...
User avatar
Gandalf
SD.net White Wizard
Posts: 16358
Joined: 2002-09-16 11:13pm
Location: A video store in Australia

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by Gandalf »

SeaTrooper wrote:Would they not have been infected with the virus created at the command of Section 31? Once they began showing visible symptoms (rotting away on the outside), then they should have been identified and picked up in fairly quick order. Unless, of course, they'd escaped Earth by then.
No. Odo was infected during Homefront, when the changelings were wreaking their havoc.

It wouldn't reach the rest of the link until he next linked with them.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

- A.B. Original, Report to the Mist

"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin
User avatar
mr friendly guy
The Doctor
Posts: 11235
Joined: 2004-12-12 10:55pm
Location: In a 1960s police telephone box somewhere in Australia

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by mr friendly guy »

Well he did link with one of the Changlings in Homefront. Assuming he had already been infected then that Changling would have been as well. Its possible that one could have spread to the other three, however if what Gandalf says is correct, it most likely didn't happen.
Never apologise for being a geek, because they won't apologise to you for being an arsehole. John Barrowman - 22 June 2014 Perth Supernova.

Countries I have been to - 14.
Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
SeaTrooper
Youngling
Posts: 126
Joined: 2010-08-31 03:04am
Location: Darwin, Oz

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by SeaTrooper »

Ok, then that leaves us back at the original post. DS9 ends without hearing anything more of the 4 Founders reported to be acting within the Fed, and I don't remember this being mentioned at all in Voy. So... any more ideas what happened to them?

I've also got to question the number that would have been sent. Odo was told 4, but the Founder taboo against killing each other does not extend to lying. 4 seems either too many for a basic sabotage operation, and way too few if they meant to collect intel from more than just SF. How did they get their reports out? Where did they spend their regeneration cycles? Who watched over them while they were in a bucket somewhere?

Frankly, so long as noone knew they were even there, I'd think them fairly safe to conduct a purely intel-collection mission. But once they'd attracted the kind of attention seen in Homefront, especially with so many freaking Betazoids roaming around with (apparently) no compunctions about invading people's mental privacy, then I suspect their 'sabotage' mission was complete. The Psych Warfare angle of having Changlings roaming around within your cities only works so long as you can't find them, so these Founders should have done a bunk.
"Know Enough To Be Afraid" - Transylvania Polygnostic

The Royal Navy has not survived for so long by setting an example for others,
but by making an example of those others...
User avatar
Kythnos
Youngling
Posts: 143
Joined: 2008-12-05 10:19pm

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by Kythnos »

SeaTrooper wrote: But once they'd attracted the kind of attention seen in Homefront, especially with so many freaking Betazoids roaming around with (apparently) no compunctions about invading people's mental privacy, then I suspect their 'sabotage' mission was complete. The Psych Warfare angle of having Changlings roaming around within your cities only works so long as you can't find them, so these Founders should have done a bunk.
It is funny you should bring up the "Psych Warfare angle" in Star Trek EU the goal of the Dominion was not completely the conquest of the alpha quadrant. Their main goal was to eliminated the telepathic races that could detected them, allowing them to replace the leaders with their own agents. They Conquered Betazed, in the early drafts destroyed with an orbital bombardment. Infected the Vulcans with some bio-weapon. Even attacked Talos IV, if the early script for Nemesis is true that is where B4 was found. If all these attacks succeed then you could make a good case that they won the war.
There's a great difference between potential and developed power. The one is clearly visible and can be awe-inspiring. The other may take a demigod to recognize.
SeaTrooper
Youngling
Posts: 126
Joined: 2010-08-31 03:04am
Location: Darwin, Oz

Re: whatever happened to the changling's on Earth

Post by SeaTrooper »

Kythnos wrote:It is funny you should bring up the "Psych Warfare angle" in Star Trek EU the goal of the Dominion was not completely the conquest of the alpha quadrant. Their main goal was to eliminated the telepathic races that could detected them, allowing them to replace the leaders with their own agents. They Conquered Betazed, in the early drafts destroyed with an orbital bombardment. Infected the Vulcans with some bio-weapon. Even attacked Talos IV, if the early script for Nemesis is true that is where B4 was found. If all these attacks succeed then you could make a good case that they won the war.
Yup, I was thinking of that invasion when writing my previous post. Taking out the Betazoids had to be a primary objective, so NOT vaping them from orbit never really made sense. As shown in DS9, the Dominion weren't conducting a genocidal slaughter, thereby leaving us with trying to find some other reason why they bothered invading that world in the first place. Hell, I'd thought it a strategic decision, with the Dom intending to use that world as a stepping-stone for further offensives.

I hadn't heard about the Vulcans or Talos IV, but such attacks would naturally follow. Bio-weapon attacks against Fed members would also justify Section31s anti-Founder virus as a 'measured retaliation', rather than the bloody-minded escalation I'd always thought it to be. A tit-for-tat response, instead of the apparent act of genocide that never really gelled with the Fed's own enlightened self-image.
"Know Enough To Be Afraid" - Transylvania Polygnostic

The Royal Navy has not survived for so long by setting an example for others,
but by making an example of those others...
Post Reply