Enterprise B

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-03-10 04:05pm

What do we actually know about E-B, besides who it's Captain was, what ship class she was and what happened on her maiden voyage? I was wondering why they would replace the E-B with an Ambassador.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-03-10 04:15pm

Perhaps the leap in or a major refinement of basic tech, made them 'modernize' their fleet. When the Cardassian war erupted, they had to fill in the fleet with older designes and after the war, they just kept the status quo.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-03-10 04:19pm

Yeah, but the E-B was gone long before the Cardie war began. Atleast that's what I can tale, since they never mention E-B having any other Captain.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-03-10 04:27pm

Aya wrote:What do we actually know about E-B, besides who it's Captain was, what ship class she was and what happened on her maiden voyage? I was wondering why they would replace the E-B with an Ambassador.

ST: Echoes From the Past, a Sega Genesis game, gave a little of E-B's history.

Note that the following entry was written before ST: Generations, so Command and Commission data had not yet been written.

USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-B

Commissioned: Data unavailable

Construction: Antares Shipyards

Command: Data Unavailable

Service: Key figure in exploration of space beyond the Gourami Sector. Responsible for mapping over 142 star sytems, including First Contact with 17 civilizations.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-10 06:47pm

IG-88E wrote:
Aya wrote:What do we actually know about E-B, besides who it's Captain was, what ship class she was and what happened on her maiden voyage? I was wondering why they would replace the E-B with an Ambassador.
ST: Echoes From the Past, a Sega Genesis game, gave a little of E-B's history.

Note that the following entry was written before ST: Generations, so Command and Commission data had not yet been written.

USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-B

Commissioned: Data unavailable

Construction: Antares Shipyards

Command: Data Unavailable

Service: Key figure in exploration of space beyond the Gourami Sector. Responsible for mapping over 142 star sytems, including First Contact with 17 civilizations.

That information comes straight from the TNG TM.

The third Enterprise, NCC-1701-B, was an Excelsior class ship built at Starfleet's Antares Ship Yards. Although the decision to model this ship on the failed original expirmental Excelsior was at the time contraversial, the economics of using the existing (and otherwise successful) egineering of the basic spaceframe were compelling. The wisdom of this decision has been borne out by the large number of Excelsior class starships that still serve Starfleet in a variety of capacities. (Indeed, the Excelsior herself ultimately proved to be a distinguished part of the Starfleet.) The third Enterprise was a key figure in the exploration of the Gourami Sector. This ship and her responsible for the mapping of over 142 star systems, including first contact with seventeen civilizations.

That is the full entry on the Enterprise-B in the TNG TM.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-10 07:34pm

So it opperated primarly as an explorer and science vessel?

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-03-10 07:53pm

So, it never did anything famous, like the other Enterprises?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-03-10 08:15pm

So, it never did anything famous, like the other Enterprises?

No, it didnt. Its the forgotten Enterprise.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-03-10 09:14pm

Knife wrote:Perhaps the leap in or a major refinement of basic tech, made them 'modernize' their fleet. When the Cardassian war erupted, they had to fill in the fleet with older designes and after the war, they just kept the status quo.

Probably wanted to keep the Enterprise at the forefront of Federation tech which would involve replacing old Enterprise with newer one.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-03-11 09:01am

Jadeite wrote:
So, it never did anything famous, like the other Enterprises?
No, it didnt. Its the forgotten Enterprise.

Geez, the E-C is more famous than the E-B.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-03-11 12:01pm

Aya wrote:
Jadeite wrote:
So, it never did anything famous, like the other Enterprises?
No, it didnt. Its the forgotten Enterprise.
Geez, the E-C is more famous than the E-B.

Famous or notorious? I bet the E-B went down in UFP history as the ship James T. Kirk died on.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-03-11 12:08pm

Yes, but the E-C brought peace between the Feddies and Klingons.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-11 11:09pm

IG-88E wrote:
Aya wrote:
Jadeite wrote: No, it didnt. Its the forgotten Enterprise.
Geez, the E-C is more famous than the E-B.
Famous or notorious? I bet the E-B went down in UFP history as the ship James T. Kirk died on.

Actually, it did. They talked about that in ST: Generations

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-11 11:20pm

you know what would be cool fire B & B, get new writers, and start a new series based on the Enterprise-B!

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-11 11:27pm

Isolder74 wrote:you know what would be cool fire B & B, get new writers, and start a new series based on the Enterprise-B!

I would watch that. But, they have to get the captian from the movie and get at least a few really well known good actors to be in the series.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-03-12 06:59am

Th E-B was also the first time excessive Treknobabbles was suggested as the first soultion to a problem. Did you hear the captain? Yeesh! There's kirk sitting there thinking, "What the fuck is this guy talking about?"

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-03-12 07:43am

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:you know what would be cool fire B & B, get new writers, and start a new series based on the Enterprise-B!
I would watch that. But, they have to get the captian from the movie and get at least a few really well known good actors to be in the series.

Yes, that guy was cool. He was in Ferris Buelers day off.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-03-12 08:23pm

Does anyone know why the E-B looks so much different than the standard Excelsior?

It raises a lot of problems. The Hood from TNG was an older Excelsior model (I doubt the Excelsior herself is still in service 80 years later), yet the Lakota from that one DS9 episode was the new-type Excelsior.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-13 12:21am

Uraniun235 wrote:Does anyone know why the E-B looks so much different than the standard Excelsior?

It raises a lot of problems. The Hood from TNG was an older Excelsior model (I doubt the Excelsior herself is still in service 80 years later), yet the Lakota from that one DS9 episode was the new-type Excelsior.

Well the simple answer is that it was a modifcation on the design that was useful but not needed in large numbers. There were likely more then what we saw, but they were useful for other purposes and they stayed out of the war. I am making assumptions, but they seem logical and they fit the facts.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-13 12:49am

Uraniun235 wrote:Does anyone know why the E-B looks so much different than the standard Excelsior?

It raises a lot of problems. The Hood from TNG was an older Excelsior model (I doubt the Excelsior herself is still in service 80 years later), yet the Lakota from that one DS9 episode was the new-type Excelsior.

The answer I came across was that the E-B was built as a testbed for technology to detect ships that can fire while they are cloaked. I has extra Impulse Engines for more power and manueverability. Its sensors were extra sensitive and it hade torpedos with the Heat seaking modification from TUC standard. Apparently it wasn't seen as needed or the Romulans fanangled some treaty to stop production of the design changes.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-13 12:59am

Isolder74 wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Does anyone know why the E-B looks so much different than the standard Excelsior?

It raises a lot of problems. The Hood from TNG was an older Excelsior model (I doubt the Excelsior herself is still in service 80 years later), yet the Lakota from that one DS9 episode was the new-type Excelsior.
The answer I came across was that the E-B was built as a testbed for technology to detect ships that can fire while they are cloaked. I has extra Impulse Engines for more power and manueverability. Its sensors were extra sensitive and it hade torpedos with the Heat seaking modification from TUC standard. Apparently it wasn't seen as needed or the Romulans fanangled some treaty to stop production of the design changes.

Grahm Kennedy came up with that.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-03-13 01:07am

WTF is with the Feds bending over and being anally plowed by the Romulans with all these fucking treaties?

Whoever wrote the story that has the "E-B type banned by treaty" excuse deserves a fucking kick in the balls.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-13 01:08am

Alyeska wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Does anyone know why the E-B looks so much different than the standard Excelsior?

It raises a lot of problems. The Hood from TNG was an older Excelsior model (I doubt the Excelsior herself is still in service 80 years later), yet the Lakota from that one DS9 episode was the new-type Excelsior.
The answer I came across was that the E-B was built as a testbed for technology to detect ships that can fire while they are cloaked. I has extra Impulse Engines for more power and manueverability. Its sensors were extra sensitive and it hade torpedos with the Heat seaking modification from TUC standard. Apparently it wasn't seen as needed or the Romulans fanangled some treaty to stop production of the design changes.
Grahm Kennedy came up with that.

Are you sure? I think my omnipedia had a reference to something similer. I can't check it cause someone ripped off my copy.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-13 01:27am

Uraniun235 wrote:WTF is with the Feds bending over and being anally plowed by the Romulans with all these fucking treaties?

Whoever wrote the story that has the "E-B type banned by treaty" excuse deserves a fucking kick in the balls.

you've got a point. In the Enterprise Incident Kirk goes through all this trouble to steal a Romulon Cloaking device and the Federation turns around and signs the Treaty of Algaria(or whatever) which make the Federation have or researching methods to detect Cloaked ships illegal. Kind of silly to send Kirk to Steal a Cloaking Device only to turn around a throw away the advantage by signing a treaty promising to give it back and not be able to take it apart. The Soviet Union once demanded the US return a defected MIG. They got it back all pieces present SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-03-13 05:48am

Isolder74 wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:WTF is with the Feds bending over and being anally plowed by the Romulans with all these fucking treaties?

Whoever wrote the story that has the "E-B type banned by treaty" excuse deserves a fucking kick in the balls.
you've got a point. In the Enterprise Incident Kirk goes through all this trouble to steal a Romulon Cloaking device and the Federation turns around and signs the Treaty of Algaria(or whatever) which make the Federation have or researching methods to detect Cloaked ships illegal. Kind of silly to send Kirk to Steal a Cloaking Device only to turn around a throw away the advantage by signing a treaty promising to give it back and not be able to take it apart. The Soviet Union once demanded the US return a defected MIG. They got it back all pieces present SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.

I thought the Treaty of Algeron was signed at the end of the Earth/Romulan war in 2170's.

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