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I keep hearing about how Kirk's death was so ignoble and stupid and such. I've never seen 'Generations'(and never intend to...) so what exactly happens to cause his death?

He gets pushed off a tower, doesn't he?

Wow, my first PST post.

I think that the true fans can safely say that he didn't die. The Kirk that died in Generations (IF that movie exists in your timeline) was a facsimile or echo of Kirk that spent time in the Ribbon, much like Guinan was. That's it and I will NOT entertain silly notions that the real Kirk died falling off a bridge.

Not every hero has a glorious death.

Well, his original death called for him to be shot in the back.


Which would probably be more apt, considering what came later.

I have blocked most of Generations out of my mind. The human mind has a propensity for blocking traumatic experiences.

HemlockGrey wrote:I keep hearing about how Kirk's death was so ignoble and stupid and such. I've never seen 'Generations'(and never intend to...) so what exactly happens to cause his death?

Massive organ displacement coupled with sudden deceleration syndrom. In a parralel universe, Picard fell with the bridge and Kirk beamed up to the Enterprise and took command. He then started a 10 year campaign to restore the Federation to its original state and take power away from the super commie fucknuts who have dominated the Fed Council for 70 years.......

......Or so I have heard.......

Kirk SHOULD have died on the bridge, the battle bridge of the Enterprise-D as it self destructed to blow up Lursa and Betor's commandship.

Kirk should have died in bed with a women.

Kirk is on a bridge on a planet. He gets a remote control and decloaks the missile that threatens all. The bridge then snaps (having taken severe damage from a disrupter) and falls down, taking Kirk with it. Picard saves the day, then when the Bad Guy is killed, he goes down and shares a few last words with Kirk. Then Kirk dies.

Baron Mordo wrote:Well, his original death called for him to be shot in the back.


Which would probably be more apt, considering what came later.

The Really dumd thing was that while the bad dude is dealing with Kirk Picard could have easily stoped the missile(it hadn't been cloaked yet) he had to come back and be all heroic and save Kirk in an attempt to prove TNG has balls. The line if I remember right your dead naterally would be followed by Kirk smuggly saying "then it doesn't matter if you kill me does it." I think Kirk's annoyed tone in his voice when he asked I thought you were going to the launcher seemed to indicate THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HAD A GUN TO MY HEAD YOU MORON! Why did you not do your job and leave me to my job of distracting the bad guy!

HemlockGrey wrote:I keep hearing about how Kirk's death was so ignoble and stupid and such. I've never seen 'Generations'(and never intend to...) so what exactly happens to cause his death?

He fell of a bridge

His Divine Shadow wrote:
He fell of a bridge

::::curls up in a ball chanting "generations never happned" over and over:::

Actually, he fell off *with* the bridge.

Doesn't make his death any more PATHETIC. Ugh.

Fucking atrocity of a film.

*sings*
Hey, London bridge is falling down, falling down!

Then someone writes a novel where the Romulans and Borg steal his friggin corpse and assimilate it or some shit like that.

Then someone writes a novel where the Romulans and Borg steal his friggin corpse and assimilate it or some shit like that.

that was william shatner, the books called "the return" not really a bad book, even if totally unbelieveable.

firstly kirk goes on a mass campian of beating up all the command crew of the enterprise, work, data, gordi ect..., trying to find and kill picard.

when kirk, spock and picard finally get together and settle there differences, they figure out vger was repaired by the borg and set on its quest to find it creator, and since spock mind melded with vger he knows where the borg home world is.

so they set of through transwarp, in a defiant class ship, to stop a massed borg romulan fleet from attacking the federation. they come out of transwarp, take on 20-30 borg cubes + 50-60 romulan ships , distroy the borg home world and a few borg cubes, and go home and live happy ever after.

hmmm wait there did I say unbelieveable sounds almost like a voyager ep

"We did it, Ned! We killed the entire Viet Cong army!"

Wrath wrote:

Then someone writes a novel where the Romulans and Borg steal his friggin corpse and assimilate it or some shit like that.

that was william shatner, the books called "the return" not really a bad book, even if totally unbelieveable.

firstly kirk goes on a mass campian of beating up all the command crew of the enterprise, work, data, gordi ect..., trying to find and kill picard.

when kirk, spock and picard finally get together and settle there differences, they figure out vger was repaired by the borg and set on its quest to find it creator, and since spock mind melded with vger he knows where the borg home world is.

so they set of through transwarp, in a defiant class ship, to stop a massed borg romulan fleet from attacking the federation. they come out of transwarp, take on 20-30 borg cubes + 50-60 romulan ships , distroy the borg home world and a few borg cubes, and go home and live happy ever after.

hmmm wait there did I say unbelieveable sounds almost like a voyager ep

A typical Shatner wank-fest to get Kirk back. Did you expect anything else?

Heheheh... Kirk died because he was too heavy and a bridge collapsed under him.

Shatner didn't write his books...

The hero who had fought Klingons, Romulans, Tholians, Gorn, etc. etc. etc., screwed a vast array of alien women, ripped his shirt on a dozen planets and worlds, led the greatest crew in the history of the UFP, and valiantly saved the Earth on two non-consecutive occasions from outright destruction, died after falling off a catwalk.

And people wonder why Trekkies don't like Kirk's death.

HemlockGrey wrote:I keep hearing about how Kirk's death was so ignoble and stupid and such. I've never seen 'Generations'(and never intend to...) so what exactly happens to cause his death?

DAMMIT!!! KIRK IS NOT DEAD!!!! HE DID NOT DIE!!!!

Master of Ossus wrote:The hero who had fought Klingons, Romulans, Tholians, Gorn, etc. etc. etc., screwed a vast array of alien women, ripped his shirt on a dozen planets and worlds, led the greatest crew in the history of the UFP, and valiantly saved the Earth on two non-consecutive occasions from outright destruction, died after falling off a catwalk.

And people wonder why Trekkies don't like Kirk's death.

Well Generations is the movie that killed Star Trek for me

Hell it was pretty much down there with utter shit

And sadly they couldn't even try for him dying alone(which is particular point I liked in ST:V...added something to the character)