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The way treat genetic engineering people in UFP are form discrimination. Ok I known genetic engineering people try to do during that war on Earth known as the Eugenics Wars. How name many people worst villains in Earth history then Khan.

Can I have the script you're using to rearrange the words in your post?

"The way they treat genetic engineers in the UFP is a form of discrimination. Okay, I know what the engineers were trying to do during that War on earth that was known as the Eugenics Wars."

That's all I can get clearly. I think the last sentence is: How come many people name Khan as one of the worst villains in Earth's History?

(I've started to look forward to JasonB's visits)

I think the last sentence was originally 'How many people name Khan as one the worst villains in Earth's history' before he swapped them around. He should know that such rhetorical questions really highlight how he's a troll and not illiterate, since it makes literally no sense once rearranged.

I have no clue. That last sentence is the weirdest piece of grammar I have ever seen.

But to answer his initial question, yes I suppose it is a form of discrimination, but only to the same extent that modern society discriminated against, say, Germany after the Second World War.

Stark wrote:I think the last sentence was originally 'How many people name Khan as one the worst villains in Earth's history' before he swapped them around. He should know that such rhetorical questions really highlight how he's a troll and not illiterate, since it makes literally no sense once rearranged.

Last sentence was many people lot worst Khan in human history. Yes can rearrange words if making easily explain others.

See? His claimed illiteracy is bogus. He's even trying to make it make less sense!

Jason, you are either the greatest satirist in the history of the human race and everything slimy and unpleasant that has preceded it, or you are a fucking illiterate imbecile. It's hard to tell whether you genuinely cannot form sentences, or maybe you're playing some elaborate master plan, slowly drawing us in for a final, devastating blow. We will see soon enough if it is the latter

Dont know if i should even bother but it seems to me.

How name many people worst villains in Earth history then Khan

Last sentence was many people lot worst Khan in human history.

Many people in human history were worse than Khan.

also I think he's not talking about the genetic engineers but the genetically engineered people.

I think what he tried to say was:

The way the UFP treats genetic engineered people is a form discrimination. Ok I know what they tried to do during the Eugenics Wars. But there were many villains in earth history worse than Khan.

So in essence I think his whole argument boils down to: "UFP vs Genetic Engineering = Overreaction much"

JasonB wrote:Last sentence was many people lot worst Khan in human history. Yes can rearrange words if making easily explain others.

Time arrow like flies. Banana flying a like fruit.

¿Comprende?

Purple wrote:So in essence I think his whole argument boils down to: "UFP vs Genetic Engineering = Overreaction much"

If so, then the answer is "probably not." Not if genetically engineered supermen are supposed to have touched off the apocalyptic mess that Earth was in before the Vulcans showed up.

How can you guys have already forgotten what monsters Khan and his crew were? It was only 15 years ago that the Eugenics Wars ended!

Sheesh.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at.

Batman wrote:I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at.

When four out of the five words comprising the thread title are misspelled, are you really all that surprised?

As I was mainly referring to the' 15 years ago' statement, yes?

A reference to the original series Space Seed, where Khan first appeared. They said that the eugenics war ended in 1996.

Eframepilot wrote:How can you guys have already forgotten what monsters Khan and his crew were? It was only 15 years ago that the Eugenics Wars ended!

Sheesh.

I think lot worst monsters then him and his crew. Hitler, Stalin, that Leaders of Iran, Saudi Arabia King , Syria dictator the Chine President,North Korea President . I prefer under Khan rule then under any of them. I sure longer other monsters I forget.

But you forget, the Eugenics wars were back in 1996. How old were you back then? You must have been really young if you don't remember the Eugenics Wars.

I don't know. From what I remember it was not all that bad. I mean sure people died but the trains used to run on time. And there were newer any crowds either. You could like walk the streets all day long and see no one. I miss the silence.

Mutant Gerbil wrote:Last sentence was many people lot worst Khan in human history. Yes can rearrange words if making easily explain others.

Yeah, but only Kahn and his Herrenmenschen became so due to deliberate genetic augmentation. If a certain procedure is prone to producing maladjusted lunatics I think there's a good reason to frown upon it. Just look at all the augmented people that show up in Trek, Kahn is a power-hungry despot, those crazies from DS9 betray the Federation on a whim and the Soong's augments are bloodthirsty eugenic supremacists. Only doctor Bashir is halfway sociable. That's enough to turn popular opinion against them I say.

Metahive wrote:If a certain procedure is prone to producing maladjusted lunatics I think there's a good reason to frown upon it. Just look at all the augmented people that show up in Trek, Kahn is a power-hungry despot, those crazies from DS9 betray the Federation on a whim and the Soong's augments are bloodthirsty eugenic supremacists. Only doctor Bashir is halfway sociable. That's enough to turn popular opinion against them I say.

Khan had sociopathic traits and was pushed over the edge when his wife died, his gang and Soong Sr.'s gang were dangerous terrorists, but I doubt every augment out there is going to be like them by default. Not every mutant is a Magneto or Sebastian Shaw. Bashir and his cadre of augments with other mental health issues from "Statistical Probabilities" were not out to actively dominate and destroy, they were just overthinking classified strategic data and fooled themselves into assuming they were saving the UFP from greater disaster by letting it lose quicker.

The thing is that of all the genetically enhanced people shown there's only one who isn't a threat to society. That's what the shows give us to work with.

Big Orange wrote:Bashir and his cadre of augments with other mental health issues from "Statistical Probabilities" were not out to actively dominate and destroy, they were just overthinking classified strategic data and fooled themselves into assuming they were saving the UFP from greater disaster by letting it lose quicker.

They arrogantly believed they had the right to decide the fate of the Federation and its billions of inhabitants by themselves. I think that's already bad enough.

Genetic Engineering to cure serious defects is allowed but doing so to 'upgrade' people is not.

Why ?
1) Parents subjecting their kids to 'upgrades' could easily result in a fucked up mess - "Hey, I want my son to have wings cause that would be cool"

2) Once the upgrades start those individuals will have an "unfair" advantage over their non-upgraded humans - Bashir having to stand further back vs O'Brien playing darts

3) Society will have to adjust to accomodate Super Men vs Normal Men most likely resulting in a clear seperation in class. Ubers vs Normals except the 'Normals' are in charge initially.
Ubers get resentful because to them the 'Normals' are the equivelent of JasonB and I dont think anyone here would want to be part of a society where he is 'normal'
Ubers try to dictate whats best according to their superior abilities - I.E DS9 Statistical Probabilities
'Normals' turn around and tell them to go fuck themselves - I.E DS9 Statistical Probabilities

Result:
i) Eugenic Wars ending in society adjusts to control the situation either by banning Genetic Engineering except in extreme circumstances or making Genetic Engineering mandatory for everyone without choice.

Change 'Genetic Engineering' to 'Cybernetic Augmentations' and it wouldnt be hard to imagine how the Borg started down the road to becoming what they were.

The 'Normal' Feds won and banned G.E
The 'Upgraded' Borg won and went with making Assimilation 'Mandatory'

PREDATOR490 wrote:Genetic Engineering to cure serious defects is allowed but doing so to 'upgrade' people is not.

Why ?
1) Parents subjecting their kids to 'upgrades' could easily result in a fucked up mess - "Hey, I want my son to have wings cause that would be cool"

2) Once the upgrades start those individuals will have an "unfair" advantage over their non-upgraded humans - Bashir having to stand further back vs O'Brien playing darts

3) Society will have to adjust to accomodate Super Men vs Normal Men most likely resulting in a clear seperation in class. Ubers vs Normals except the 'Normals' are in charge initially.
Ubers get resentful because to them the 'Normals' are the equivelent of JasonB and I dont think anyone here would want to be part of a society where he is 'normal'
Ubers try to dictate whats best according to their superior abilities - I.E DS9 Statistical Probabilities
'Normals' turn around and tell them to go fuck themselves - I.E DS9 Statistical Probabilities

Result:
i) Eugenic Wars ending in society adjusts to control the situation either by banning Genetic Engineering except in extreme circumstances or making Genetic Engineering mandatory for everyone without choice.

Change 'Genetic Engineering' to 'Cybernetic Augmentations' and it wouldnt be hard to imagine how the Borg started down the road to becoming what they were.

The 'Normal' Feds won and banned G.E
The 'Upgraded' Borg won and went with making Assimilation 'Mandatory'

Problem punish a child for parent I had friend that this happen to. His mother used illegal drugs born meltal problem like me guess they did not him because part disable program play tug war during Color war. Yes great reason denied people right to do things because parent decide broke law.

Mutant Gerbil wrote:Problem punish a child for parent I had friend that this happen to. His mother used illegal drugs born meltal problem like me guess they did not him because part disable program play tug war during Color war. Yes great reason denied people right to do things because parent decide broke law.

So, how's that in anyway congruent with the fictional UFP's decision to outlaw the genetic augmenting of people? Bashir's parents could have left well enough alone and only corrected their sons genetic defects, but no, they had to "improve" their child way beyond the standard. Until the latter is even an option for human babies your complaints here are without cause.