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I think an issue would be the original recording media (ie shit) and the cost:benefit of trying to improve some of TNGs bad CG/model compositing. Fixing matte lines is one thing, but fixing scales or phasers from torpedo tubes? It'd probably be cheaper to just throw many of them.Darth Tedious wrote:If the models were reasonably detailed, they might not have to...
I recently saw 2001 in hi-def for the first time and blew chunks over how well-greeblied the Discovery actually was.
True, some of the TNG studio models sucked, but I'd at least love to get a good look at the original Borg cube.
An perfect summation of why I've never liked the Galaxy-class design.Skylon wrote:I'd love to see the effects redone so the Ent-D isn't just sitting around like a beached whale.
Yeah, they don't have much of a choice.Alyeska wrote:They have to do a CGI treatment on TNG.
TNG was produced at a time when the only quality that was ever expected of it was standard definition TV resolution. And with traditional CRT TVs of the day, they could use more lazy special effects. Apparently their filming style would make the work even more difficult. At least their actual film for the live action appears to have been in higher resolution quality.Last summer Van Citter stated that there were significant technical issues that made remastering TNG in HD more problematic than remastering the original Star Trek series. One of the main issues is that the special effects for TNG were done in video, and redoing all the effects would be much more expensive than with the TOS Remastered project. Mike Okuda, who was one of the producers for 2006-2008 project to remastered the original Star Trek series, once told TrekMovie a particularly problematic issue is with the USS Enterprise D bridge screen. Unlike the original series, characters often stood or walked in front of the screen and so to swap out new digital effects, they would have to manually rotoscope out all the moving actors. However, last summer CBS’ Van Citers also noted that he was "optimistic" CBS would eventually figure out how to deliver Star Trek: The Next Generation in HD.
The Enterprise-D is one of my favourites really, in the general aesthetic of the model and gracefulness of it, but yeah I hate how in many of the space shots she's just sitting there like a beached whale. (in TOS the Enterprise was often manoeuvring at warp speeds during battles) There were several scenes where she could move quickly, like when she's manoeuvring around to go to warp for example, but many of the battles she's just sitting there. On the other hand, in 'Survivors' and 'Best of Both Worlds' she opens up with all her weapons at once which kinda makes up for it.JME2 wrote:An perfect summation of why I've never liked the Galaxy-class design.Skylon wrote:I'd love to see the effects redone so the Ent-D isn't just sitting around like a beached whale.
My understanding was that the actual model passes were shot on 35mm film, but the editing and optical effects were done on videotape - so theoretically if the film was still around you could reuse some of the model shots, but the amount of effort necessary to re-edit the footage together and re-create the effects would make it more practical to simply redo the whole shot in CGI anyway. I just hope the CGI doesn't turn out looking bland and dull.Alyeska wrote:Early season TNG special effects were deliberately run on TV resolutions of 480. They cannot upscale. Some of the models were wonderful for detail, but they were not filmed on Movie level camera equipment. Everything was filmed in standard definition. The TNG DVDs run through DVD upscaling look like absolute shit. DS9 wasn't nearly so bad because they started to run more detail and by season 5 were actually putting out tremendous detail. They have to do a CGI treatment on TNG.
This is probably going to be more likely and cheaper for Paramount.Uraniun235 wrote:In my opinion one of the bigger problems will be some of the bridge shots - the lighting they used in the first couple of seasons was so harsh that they would tape panels of black cardboard onto some of the rear bridge display panels. You can sometimes see it on DVD, and I have to wonder how apparent it will be in HD. Trying to 'fix' that would probably be very expensive though. Someone speculated on another forum that instead of doing a complete set, they might try to make a "best of" list of TNG episodes and only redo those in HD.
You'd be surprised; when the original components still exist, even shitty DW serials have had effects replaced for little cost. Model shots in particular should be easier to spruce up, but from what I've seen in other shows if they decide to replace them, there's both the possibility for movie-quality shots and the possibility for amazingly amateurish garbage.Uraniun235 wrote:My understanding was that the actual model passes were shot on 35mm film, but the editing and optical effects were done on videotape - so theoretically if the film was still around you could reuse some of the model shots, but the amount of effort necessary to re-edit the footage together and re-create the effects would make it more practical to simply redo the whole shot in CGI anyway. I just hope the CGI doesn't turn out looking bland and dull.
Exactly; for example, the saucer separation is only in this episode mainly because Gene Roddenberry had come up with it for TOS or one of the movies (can't remember which). However, that was in the middle of the original series, and Paramount was unwilling to cooperate with him on spending more money to make new FX shots.Uraniun235 wrote:At first I thought Encounter at Farpoint was a bit of an odd choice (series opener, yes, although it seems like most people don't particularly care for it), but then I realized that as the only effects-heavy episode of the lot, it made a lot of sense: it's the one episode where all the effects had been done by ILM, and from which so many effects shots were re-used again and again as stock shots throughout the series.
When was the last time you saw "The Best of Both Worlds, Part 2"? It made reasonable sense there, as it forced the Borg to deal with two targets at once. (Based on that episode and First Contact, the Borg don't seem to be able to aim at multiple targets simultaneously.)Uraniun235 wrote:I also can't think of an episode where separating the saucer would have made sense.
I meant an episode of TOS, when Gene allegedly invented the concept.StarSword wrote:When was the last time you saw "The Best of Both Worlds, Part 2"? It made reasonable sense there, as it forced the Borg to deal with two targets at once. (Based on that episode and First Contact, the Borg don't seem to be able to aim at multiple targets simultaneously.)Uraniun235 wrote:I also can't think of an episode where separating the saucer would have made sense.
CBS is, in fact, returning to the original film negatives, a mother lode of material encompassing 25,000-plus reels of footage, and editing the episodes together precisely as they were when they originally aired between 1987 and 1994. Visual effects will not be upconverted from videotape, but instead will be recompositioned. The freshly cut film will ultimately be transferred to high definition with 7.1 DTS Master Audio. And all of the work is being done in conjunction with respected, longtime Star Trek figures Denise and Michael Okuda, who are on board as consultants.
As for that sampler, it will be called Star Trek: The Next Generation -- The Next Level. CBS Home Entertainment has set a January 31, 2012, release date for the single disc, which will include the feature-length version of the series pilot, "Encounter at Farpoint," as well the fan-favorite episodes "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light," the former from season three and the latter from season five. The Next Level will sell for the suggested retail price of $21.99.
Very cool. We might even see a handful of goofs fixed. Like the phasers from the torpedo launcher.Uraniun235 wrote:Official confirmation:
http://www.startrek.com/article/the-nex ... ch-in-2012
CBS is, in fact, returning to the original film negatives, a mother lode of material encompassing 25,000-plus reels of footage, and editing the episodes together precisely as they were when they originally aired between 1987 and 1994. Visual effects will not be upconverted from videotape, but instead will be recompositioned. The freshly cut film will ultimately be transferred to high definition with 7.1 DTS Master Audio. And all of the work is being done in conjunction with respected, longtime Star Trek figures Denise and Michael Okuda, who are on board as consultants.
As for that sampler, it will be called Star Trek: The Next Generation -- The Next Level. CBS Home Entertainment has set a January 31, 2012, release date for the single disc, which will include the feature-length version of the series pilot, "Encounter at Farpoint," as well the fan-favorite episodes "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light," the former from season three and the latter from season five. The Next Level will sell for the suggested retail price of $21.99.
All I remember about Encounter at Farpoint was the goofy man-skirts and Marina Sirtis' overacting (Pain ... loneliness .... pain). I didn't like it, personally.Stofsk wrote:I haven't seen 'Encounter at Farpoint' for a long time, but I remember liking it. It's not as good as later TNG, but for season 1 and 2? Pretty solid.
Anyway I love the news, and can't wait to see it.