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FaxModem1 wrote: ↑2018-08-04 08:08pm I, for one, am rather excited about this. Unless they're planning on making it some sort of "Fall of King Arthur" story, in which we see Picard get utterly destroyed as a man due to his time having passed. I get enough of that from the Star Wars sequels, thank you very much.

Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2018-08-04 06:35pm Stewart's Twitter statement about it

It does sound like he'd like the avoid the grim dark and go more hopeful.

FaxModem1 wrote: ↑2018-08-04 08:08pm I, for one, am rather excited about this. Unless they're planning on making it some sort of "Fall of King Arthur" story, in which we see Picard get utterly destroyed as a man due to his time having passed. I get enough of that from the Star Wars sequels, thank you very much.

Gandalf wrote: ↑2018-08-05 05:08pm

FaxModem1 wrote: ↑2018-08-04 08:08pm I, for one, am rather excited about this. Unless they're planning on making it some sort of "Fall of King Arthur" story, in which we see Picard get utterly destroyed as a man due to his time having passed. I get enough of that from the Star Wars sequels, thank you very much.

To me, that sounds like a really awesome story. It could be interesting if they explored Picard's developing Irumodic Syndrome, in an expanded (and hopefully deeper) version of Sarek's storyline from TNG.

Batman wrote: ↑2018-08-05 04:56pm WOULD be kinda interesting to see his reaction if they did though

Tribble wrote: ↑2018-08-04 09:55pm Maybe we'll get Logan in Space?

The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2018-08-04 06:06pm Stewart is a good actor, but I don't know if he brings much as a producer for Trek.

tezunegari wrote: ↑2018-08-06 11:43am
And as this was just announced the release of Picard Trek will be at the earliest in 2022.

Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2018-08-06 01:43pm

tezunegari wrote: ↑2018-08-06 11:43am
And as this was just announced the release of Picard Trek will be at the earliest in 2022.

Show development takes four years?

tezunegari wrote: ↑2018-08-06 02:19pm

Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2018-08-06 01:43pm

tezunegari wrote: ↑2018-08-06 11:43am
And as this was just announced the release of Picard Trek will be at the earliest in 2022.

Show development takes four years?

Rule of thumb is 3-5 years from decision to release.

They have come up with the plot line and write the scripts for the episodes and refine them, find the right actors, design and build the sets, create the CGI assets for the green screen stuff (or at least dust of the already existing ones and make them High-Res compatible).

I'd expect filming to start sometime late-2019 or early 2020 at the earliest.

FireNexus wrote: ↑2018-08-06 03:17pm

tezunegari wrote: ↑2018-08-06 02:19pm

Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2018-08-06 01:43pm

Show development takes four years?

Rule of thumb is 3-5 years from decision to release.

They have come up with the plot line and write the scripts for the episodes and refine them, find the right actors, design and build the sets, create the CGI assets for the green screen stuff (or at least dust of the already existing ones and make them High-Res compatible).

I'd expect filming to start sometime late-2019 or early 2020 at the earliest.

What? Star Trek: Discovery (a directly comparable series since it’s basically the same production team) was announced November 2015 and premiered September 2017. It would have probably been released sooner except the show runner bailed after the start of production.

If you have stars and crews lined up, and dedicated EPs for a project that is sure to make back any investment, it can happen quickly. Your 2022 date is likely insanely far out even if Patrick Stewart wasn’t an actuarially risky person to be the primary star for a 2022 release. Since he is, no series starring him would ever be greenlit in such a timetable. It would probably be cancelled if principle photography isn’t begun by March, tbh.

NeoGoomba wrote: ↑2018-08-06 08:43am

Tribble wrote: ↑2018-08-04 09:55pm Maybe we'll get Logan in Space?

Oh man. Swap Picard for Logan and Q for Professor X and have them road trip around the galaxy.

Elheru Aran wrote:The real sticking point is going to be writing. Good writing takes time. At least they can probably animate whatever digital effects they need to ahead of time.

The Captain Picard Series Should Be Star Trek's The Last Jedi wrote:The New Star Trek Show Is a Chance to Last Jedi the Hell Out of Captain Picard

Star Trek Las Vegas 2018 confirmed a huge piece of news for the Trek universe last weekend: the rumors were true, and Sir Patrick Stewart would be returning to television to reprise his role as an older, wiser Jean-Luc Picard in a new Star Trek series. We know little else about the series beyond that, but I really hope it does for Picard what Star Wars: The Last Jedi did for Luke Skywalker.

That sort of hoping might rankle longtime Trek fans. In fact, many of them have spent the last few days desperately hoping for the direct opposite of Star Trek: The Last Jedi. They’ve read Stewart’s own statement that the new show’s Picard would be a “man who has been changed by his experiences” and shuddered at the mere thought of a disillusioned, weary Picard roaming around an isolated family vineyard swigging freshly-squeezed Targ milk. They’d already had to go through one traumatic fictional upheaval, why wish that on another old hero? Why can’t Picard just be the Picard we saw in TNG and the movies?

Because that would be kind of boring, for starters.

As someone who loved the deconstructionist bent of The Last Jedi, and especially the way it brought Luke’s journey to an end, I’d love the new Picard series to do something similar. Not directly literal of course—Jean-Luc doesn’t have to pass on at the end of it, the way Luke quietly dissipates into the Force in The Last Jedi. But in terms of having heroes who so wholly represent the greatest ideals of their respective franchises go through a trauma that leaves them challenged and conflicted, a conflict that lets them grow and develop as deeper characters, while reminding us of the grand ideals they represent? Hell yes.

Especially because this new Star Trek show has another fascinating opportunity it can’t waste: it’s set 20 years after Nemesis (so 2399, fact fans), which means it’s the farthest into the future of the main timeline a Star Trek TV show has gone, our first “canonical” imagining of the Star Trek galaxy previously only touched on in novels and Star Trek Online. But it also means it’s set about 20 years after one of the most cataclysmic events that we know of in the Star Trek timeline: the Dominion War.

What Picard and the rest of the TNG crew went through during the war is relatively unknown—some of the non-canon Trek novels covered the Enterprise-E’s role in the war, and the closest we have otherwise are Insurrection and Nemesis, movies that are set in the final year of the conflict but also, understandably, had their own threats to deal with. We don’t get the time to see how these characters are changed by a conflict that rocks Starfleet and the Federation to the core—that shakes the moral foundations that a captain like Picard not only holds dear, but in the eyes of many Trek fans, is practically the living embodiment of them.

Twenty years is a decent chunk of time after the end of the Dominion War for Jean-Luc to be removed from the initial chaos of the conflict (if we’re keeping our Last Jedi comparisons rolling, Luke only spent up to six-ish years in exile after his Academy’s destruction) to reflect if the Federation that exists in 2399 is still the idealist utopia it was before one of the bloodiest wars in its history—and if he himself can still live up to that ideal.

Because really, unless the reason this new Picard is different is because he’s a completely different man altogether, isn’t that sort of moral questioning something the Jean-Luc Picard we know and love would go through in the wake of an event as earth-shattering as a full-scale interstellar war?

It’s not like Star Trek hasn’t put him through the moral wringer in the past—challenging the ideals the Federation holds dear is what the franchise does at its best. Part of what makes Picard one of Star Trek’s most adored characters is that no matter the situation, his moral core never wavers. And it’s not like Trek hasn’t used war to really bring his moral conflict to the fore before, either—First Contact’s most defining moment comes when Jean-Luc teeters on the edge of letting his urge to get vengeance on the Borg overwhelm him, the moment we get to see him so close to falling from that moral center.

A new show has a chance to bring that moral debate to the forefront again—give us a Picard that, so deeply shaken, perhaps did falter for a while, only to have to go through finding himself again, whether it’s through introspection or seeing hope in a new generation of Starfleet heroes after him, as Luke did with Rey. There could be nothing more affirming of Trek’s long-held ideals than seeing their greatest champion stray from the path, be horrified by that, and inevitably return to it. And wouldn’t that be a much more interesting journey to experience than Captain Picard doing the same old thing he was doing decades ago, with nothing changing but the impossibly rare wrinkle on Patrick Stewart’s astonishingly timeless visage?

But yeah, we can probably skip the fresh Targ milk swigging. That might be a bit too much.