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I just watched the episode where Tuvok brainwashes the Maquis into taking over the ship. I don't know how I sat through it, maybe because I was plaing "Sim City 4" at the same time. Anyway, I caught the last couple minutes of the show when Lameway is sitting in the holodeck movie theater. She is wearing 3-D glasses, and moving her head around in all directions while watching the screen. Who the hell watches movies like that? I have never once seen anyone move their head around at the screen while watching a movie.

Anyone else have any bad acting from Mulgrew they want to share?

When she was giving somebody mouth-to-mouth and didn't tilt their head back.

Mulgrew, overall, really wasn't that bad. She had a few performances where she shined ("Living Witness" comes to mind, by far Voyager's best episode). I think she takes more shit than she deserves from Trek fans because the material she had to work with was awful, and as Voyager's captain and arguably the star of the series, she's a convenient target. I thought Garret Wang was the worst actor on the show, but again, he had lousy material to work with.

She followed extremely basic acting styles. She had three moods that she went through:

1. Happy: Characterized by the fact that the inner corner of her eyebrows were arched up, she had her head tilted away from whoever she was talking to, and had a crooked smile plastered on her face. This was usually followed by her taking a step towards whoever she was talking to, placing her hands on their cheeks, and then saying some one-liner to them.

2. Angry: Head tilted down, glaring out from under her eyebrows, and whenever she spoke she always tilted her head back and then forward again as she delivered the final two lines of her sentence. Always.

3. Captainy: A neutral non-entity that just spouted lines.

In short, Mulgrew's performance was very shallow. There was no complexity to her moods... there was no hidden, inner turmoil. In acting, there's one particular rule: "Show, don't tell." Mulgrew's acting took on all the physical characteristics of someone saying, "Look, look at me, I'm oh-so-angry!" (or sad, or whatever). Frankly, she would have had a hard time passing any acting class that I've taken.

Who's Garret Wang?

Wang, AKA Ensign-who-fucking-commands-the-bridge Kim

I mean, seriously, shouldn't they have either had a higher-ranking officer at the conn or promoted Kim?

Aya wrote:Who's Garret Wang?

Harry Kim.

Ensign Kim, the token Asian

I really think that to often the actors did the best they could with shitty scripts and lousy direction, both on the set and from the production crew.
Voyager was fucked from the top down(in the case of Jeri Ryan, quite literaly) as the producers didnt give a damn about believability or continuity in in real way shape or form.

All they(B&B) cared about was dollars, and the actors, while they loathed the material, a Star trek gig is THE Holy Grail of acting, all you have to do is stay on the show(known as the Wheaton Doctrine) and your set for life, you do a movie gig occasionally , and then you do two or three Creations Cons, collect your fee and get back to working on your golf swing....

Sokar wrote:a Star trek gig is THE Holy Grail of acting, all you have to do is stay on the show(known as the Wheaton Doctrine) and your set for life, you do a movie gig occasionally , and then you do two or three Creations Cons, collect your fee and get back to working on your golf swing....

It's also the kiss of death if you want to continue your career.



Unless you've got a nice rack.

Baron Mordo wrote:

Sokar wrote:a Star trek gig is THE Holy Grail of acting, all you have to do is stay on the show(known as the Wheaton Doctrine) and your set for life, you do a movie gig occasionally , and then you do two or three Creations Cons, collect your fee and get back to working on your golf swing....

It's also the kiss of death if you want to continue your career.



Unless you've got a nice rack.

Right because Patrick Stewart's got a nice rack.

neoolong wrote:

Baron Mordo wrote:

Sokar wrote:a Star trek gig is THE Holy Grail of acting, all you have to do is stay on the show(known as the Wheaton Doctrine) and your set for life, you do a movie gig occasionally , and then you do two or three Creations Cons, collect your fee and get back to working on your golf swing....

It's also the kiss of death if you want to continue your career.



Unless you've got a nice rack.

Right because Patrick Stewart's got a nice rack.

There's a ugly image...that and for some reason trying to put out the thought of Shatner or Nimoy having a rack...ugh.

Superman wrote:I just watched the episode where Tuvok brainwashes the Maquis into taking over the ship. I don't know how I sat through it, maybe because I was plaing "Sim City 4" at the same time. Anyway, I caught the last couple minutes of the show when Lameway is sitting in the holodeck movie theater. She is wearing 3-D glasses, and moving her head around in all directions while watching the screen. Who the hell watches movies like that? I have never once seen anyone move their head around at the screen while watching a movie.

Anyone else have any bad acting from Mulgrew they want to share?

Your cat is wearing a hat.

Handsome tomcat, btw.

Let me think...

I can recall a few times in which Mulgrew did a good job. Her performance in most of "Scorpion" was commendable. She had a few good scenes with Cacabrains, when they argued about an alliance with the Borg.

But wait! D'oH! You only want times in which she was BAD!

Well, actually, pointing out the good acting is the easiest way to do that anyway...because when she was not good, she wasn't just so-so; she was usually terrible!

But back to "Scorpion": a part I found very fake was when she'd been injured on the Borg cube, about to go into a coma.

Right before she passed out, she told Chakotay, in E.T.'s voice, "HOOOOME...GET THIS SHIP HOOOME." I expected her finger to glow

Her acting at the end of the pilot episode was deliciously bad. "Mr. Paris...set a course, for HOME." She was on the verge of tears it seemed. Very painful to watch. (Evidently, the mere mention of "home" makes her go haywire as an actress.)

When Seven still had some implantage and was locked up in the brig, Mulgrew pulled some really wild stuff. She would "moan like a whore," as Commodus said in "Gladiator," at the slightest touch. Very distracting and false.

Her performance as a member of the French resistance in "The Killing Game" was also pretty damn dodgy.

Mulgrew is especially bad when compared to her Trek predecessors. Think about it.

Shatner: Not the greatest actor in the world, but he single handedly created and defined James T. Kirk. He could throw a drop kick like nobody's business too!

Stewart: So good that maybe Trek should have been beneath him. This guy could save a script that centered around Picard becoming a McDonald's employee.

Brooks: Not too bad! The first African American Captain to come into Star Trek and I think he did a hell of a job. I enjoyed DS9.

Bacula: Well, "Quantum Leap" used to be one of my favorite shows. Even though Boobyprise is not so great, his acting is okay. He's no Stewart, but he's no Mulgrew either.

Mulgrew: Throw in the worst writers, a low budget, bad actors, KATE MULGREW, and you get "Star Trek Voyager." Yes, the scripts were bad but her acting was JUST AS bad. Pure drivel.

Superman wrote: Brooks: Not too bad! The first African American Captain to come into Star Trek and I think he did a hell of a job. I enjoyed DS9.

In ST6, one of the conspirating Admirals was an African-American, so that's no big deal, surely there must have been more.

Warspite wrote:

Superman wrote: Brooks: Not too bad! The first African American Captain to come into Star Trek and I think he did a hell of a job. I enjoyed DS9.

In ST6, one of the conspirating Admirals was an African-American, so that's no big deal, surely there must have been more.

The captain of the ill-fated sister ship of the Enterprise-D, the Yamato, qualified. He had to be American since if he had been a foreigner he would have had an accent like some refugee from Oliver Twist. All foreigners are English, after all.

There was also the captain of one of the smaller starships that had the secret rendezvous with the Enterprise-D when the nasty alien mind control bugs were about to take over the Federation and make everyone eat bowls full of mealworms.

And that's about all I can recall as far as captain-types go. Starfleet is lousy with female and minority admirals, on the other hand, which seems a bit of a backhanded compliment: good enough to shuffle PADDS across a desk but not good enough to be a captain on the cutting edge, where only true grit and intestinal fortitude count. An awful lot of the white male admirals, on the other hand, seem to be incompetent, scheming nutjobs who've heard of moral and ethical principles...

Well, at least Frasier Crane is still out there, captaining the USS Bozeman and psychoanalyzing Romulans via subspace call-ins.

I didn't mind sisko all that much until one episode when he brought up racism in the early 20th century las vegas. AS IF in the 24th fucking century, black people would still have a problem with 1920 attitudes for fucks sake.
And cassidy yates is all "i have no problem with this, i know where i come from" indicating black people are still bumming africa. Made me intensely annoyed that did.

Oh, I didn't mean that Sisko was the FIRST African American Captain in Star Fleet. I meant Brooks was the first to have a show.

Patrick Ogaard wrote: Well, at least Frasier Crane is still out there, captaining the USS Bozeman and psychoanalyzing Romulans via subspace call-ins.

Praetor Shinzon?

I am listening...

Brooks: Not too bad! The first African American Captain to come into Star Trek and I think he did a hell of a job. I enjoyed DS9.

Are you forgetting about Terrel from TWoK?

You fool!

Sokar wrote:I really think that to often the actors did the best they could with shitty scripts and lousy direction, both on the set and from the production crew.

As typified by the case of Garrett Wang, whose stage direction was the eloquently simple "almost bland, almost boring". I still get a laugh from the very concept of a character who aims to be uninteresting.

They could have done so much with his character. Another opportunity wasted on Voyager.

Superman wrote: Stewart: So good that maybe Trek should have been beneath him. This guy could save a script that centered around Picard becoming a McDonald's employee.

Have you heard the radio sketch "Picard at McDonalds"? It deals with him in the McDonalds frive thru.

I recommend it. I know this had nothing to do with the actual thread, but I thought I'd plug it.