TOS Power generation...

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-04-10 09:34am

After reading through a few pages of Ex Astris Scientia I wondered whether or not TOS Enterprise had a warp core.

From TMP it seems that it does have a warp core, but was there one before the refit? Was the warp core present but hidden? Why was it never mentioned? (okay I can guess why) What did the Enterprise use if warp cores weren't invented?

I was under the impression that the pre-refit Enterprise didn't have a warp core...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-10 09:53am

I can't think ofa reason why it wouldn't? And I think that'd be a major system to add, even given the major work that was done on the Enterprise. If that was the case it would mean virtually gutting the whole ship's propulsion.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-04-10 10:00am

True, but the engine room is considerably changed from the TOS to the TMP (larger budget & sfx taken into account)

Its just the fact that it isn't mentioned & that I thought there was another method. If im wrong, il shut up.

Wasn't there mention of an Intermix chamber in TMP? Forgive my lack of understand regarding treknology. Is the Intermix chamber (I assume its where matter & anti-matter are combined) part of a warp core or something removed & different?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-04-10 11:15am

Well the warp core need not be a giant vertical tube and even if it is it is probably hidden away somewhere.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-10 01:25pm

Maybe it was in the horizontal position and covered for safety

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-10 02:03pm

Isn't the warp core on the NX-01 horizontal?

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-04-10 02:17pm

I think it's that thing you see at the rear of engineering. That wind-tunnel looking thing with the fence blocking it.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-04-10 02:51pm

neoolong wrote:Isn't the warp core on the NX-01 horizontal?

Yes it is.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-04-10 03:06pm

Baron Mordo wrote:I think it's that thing you see at the rear of engineering. That wind-tunnel looking thing with the fence blocking it.

I think it is in there some where myself.

Ajaz50 · Post by **Ajaz50** » 2003-04-10 05:54pm

No thats not it, you can see in the epasode with the troyins (the ones whose tears can make men fall in love or something like that) when the bad guys sabatoge the dilithium it ejects from the one of the three oringe things in the middle of the engin room. (dilithium is needed for a warp core, thus it must have a warp core) it looks as if insted of long the reaction chamber is wide and short. They are right there in the middle of the engin room, you usualy see them in the views of the engine room. I was under the impresion that the dark thing behind the grid were the fusion engins

Currald · Post by **Currald** » 2003-04-11 11:35am

This is a major unresolved debate among trekkies. The TMP refit version had an intermix chamber (same thing as a warp core, different name). Many fans believe that the nacelles contained the M/AM reactors in the TOS version, while others think that there was an intermix chamber. Personally, I go for the former interpretation, since that was how it was described in all of the secondary treknical literature of the 1970's (much of which had Gene Roddenberry's official blessing). For a detailed treatment, see this article at TrekPlace:

http://www.trekplace.com/articles/article07.shtml

spaceluigi · Post by **spaceluigi** » 2003-04-13 02:23am

[img]http://www.trekplace.com/articles/artic ... 02.jpg[img]

Maybe it's that thing to the right, the horizontal tube thing.[/img]

spaceluigi · Post by **spaceluigi** » 2003-04-13 02:24am

THAT thing

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-13 02:53am

I remember reading in several places that the M/AM reations occured in the nacelles for the E-Nil during TOS.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-13 03:03am

Luigi, that can't be the warp core, since it looked like this:
http://www.uah.edu/~jim/set1.jpg

spaceluigi · Post by **spaceluigi** » 2003-04-13 03:53am

Same set...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-13 03:57am

Yes of course it's the same damn set. Use those two round things filled with fluid in your head called EYES.

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-04-13 04:16am

Doesn't quite look the same to me. Both have the same tube thing, but everything around it is different. Either completely different configuration for the same location or different locations. Either way, it cannot be the warp core, but it is not quite the same set.

I always assumed the tunnel thing to the left was the warp core. As for the dilithium, it was originally the power source, not some sort of filter. As such, it need not be in the very center of the warp core. Also, there might be a mechanism by which the dilithium is moved from the warp core to another location for easier or safer handling. It seems awkward, but if the warp core was that tunnel, it might be useful to make access to the dilithium a bit easier.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-13 04:20am

Well, I will quote my above comment:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I remember reading in several places that the M/AM reations occured in the nacelles for the E-Nil during TOS.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-04-13 04:35am

Johonebesus wrote:Doesn't quite look the same to me. Both have the same tube thing, but everything around it is different. Either completely different configuration for the same location or different locations. Either way, it cannot be the warp core, but it is not quite the same set.

Well, yes and no. It is the same set, in that it occupied the same portion of the overall Stage 9 layout. The more complex design was part of Matt Jefferies' design from the beginning, but I suspect that the time to build the entire engine room as planned wasn't available when production began for season one. The expanded, split-level version of the engineering deck, with the dilithium chambers in the centre of the complex, first appears in the second season episode "Mirror, Mirror"; it was built in time for shooting for "The Doomsday Machine" (which actually slotted in earlier in the production order).

I always assumed the tunnel thing to the left was the warp core. As for the dilithium, it was originally the power source, not some sort of filter. As such, it need not be in the very center of the warp core. Also, there might be a mechanism by which the dilithium is moved from the warp core to another location for easier or safer handling. It seems awkward, but if the warp core was that tunnel, it might be useful to make access to the dilithium a bit easier.

The large chamber at the aft end of the engineering deck appears to house the power stacks feeding the warp engines themselves. The central unit on the engineering deck was the main dilithium power converter assembly, in which the raw output from the matter/antimatter integrator was amplified and "tuned" to the qualities required by the warp engines and the ship's main power grid. However, "Elaan Of Troyus", "That Which Survives", "The Tholian Web" and one or two other episodes illustrates that the main reactor and the dilithium converter are seperate from one another, with the converter being the processor stage in the power complex of the Enterprise.

In the layout suggested in "That Which Survives", the reactor itself is contained in a protected bunker within the secondary hull, with a service crawlway leading into its interior, which is not meant to be accessed while the integrator is in operation.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-13 10:34am

Considering the 1st Warp Core built was actually a Nuclear Missile i'm sure that the design for a warp core undergoes many up grades and conversions between TOS and TMP.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-04-15 10:21pm

Uh, the first warp core wasn't a nuclear missile... it was housed in a missile that used to carry nuclear warheads.

Well, that's my assumption anyway... god knows I wouldn't put it past B&B to fuck up even the concept of nuclear missiles.

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