Ensign Kim in command of a ship?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-04-10 08:48pm

I just watched an episode that had Kim commanding some alien ship. He is a fucking Ensign. Yes, that is an officer but it is an 0 -1. If it were the Army, it would be putting a "butter bar" in command of that ship. Come on. How stupid is this? A senior enlisted man would be more qualified.

I guess Star Fleet does not have a mandatory promotion for junior officers, either. How long did Kim stay an Ensign?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-10 09:07pm

Seven years? Five? The entire time he was on the bloody show, I believe.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-04-10 09:12pm

Seven years...thne again given the crew...I'm amazed Janeway was given a ship to captain that wasn't a tug.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-10 09:18pm

Okay, he does mention that if it was a regular situation, he would at least be a lt. or lt. commander by now. And he does command a ship for one mission and finds he is not ready for it.

However, I would like to mention that he does grow by the end of the series. In the finale he is willing to take a ship and fly into Borg-infested ship damn near by himself. Looks like he's found his balls. And they're made of brass.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-04-10 09:21pm

Neolong, I am sorry but I think you are wrong. How much balls does it take to oppose the Voyager Borg? For Christ sake, the USS Voyager took cubes on by itself!

The Voyager Borg must have assimilated the Pakleds, only to have their stupidity spread throughout the collective.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-10 09:26pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Seven years...thne again given the crew...I'm amazed Janeway was given a ship to captain that wasn't a tug.

I think Janeway is the admiral Daala of Star Trek.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-10 09:38pm

Superman wrote:Neolong, I am sorry but I think you are wrong. How much balls does it take to oppose the Voyager Borg? For Christ sake, the USS Voyager took cubes on by itself!

The Voyager Borg must have assimilated the Pakleds, only to have their stupidity spread throughout the collective.

Would you like to take on a bunch of Borg vessels in the Delta Flyer? By yourself?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-04-10 09:41pm

Why the heck not? If I were in the Delta Flyer, I would win! It would be a guaranteed win, too!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-10 09:44pm

Superman wrote:Why the heck not? If I were in the Delta Flyer, I would win! It would be a guaranteed win, too!

Since when? The Voyager didn't exactly have an easy time of getting to that Transwarp hub. Do you think you could do it in the Delta Flyer? Without a character shield?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-04-10 09:49pm

But, the Voyager Borg are so weak and pathetic that of course the Flyer is going to escape. The original Borg would have made fast work of the Voyager, but the wussified Voyager Borg cannot stop one stupid cruiser (or whatever the heck it is) under the command of the most incompetent Captain in Starfleet history.

I would say that I probably could have taken them out. Heck, I would not have had any ethical dilemmas either, so I would have just fired on every ship. I could have taken out the Borg by myself. They seem to be too weak and stupid to stop that piece of crap Flyer, so I say I win.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-10 10:22pm

I don't think you really remember that episode. Even using Voyager's Borg, you would still only have one ship.

And it still shows great courage. And I doubt he would be a captain but he should have been promoted.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-04-10 10:56pm

IIRC Ensign Kim did complain to Janeway that if they were in the AQ he would be a lieutenant(junior grade) or a full lieutenant.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-04-10 10:57pm

neoolong wrote:Okay, he does mention that if it was a regular situation, he would at least be a lt. or lt. commander by now. And he does command a ship for one mission and finds he is not ready for it.

However, I would like to mention that he does grow by the end of the series. In the finale he is willing to take a ship and fly into Borg-infested ship damn near by himself. Looks like he's found his balls. And they're made of brass.

I always liked Kim. He's like this naïve idealist who doesn't understand that his captain is a fucking idiot, the ship run by monkeys, and the hottest woman he's likely to ever meet lost, impressionable and always close by his side.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-10 11:19pm

And he does manage to get laid. With hot alien chicks.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-04-10 11:22pm

neoolong wrote:And he does manage to get laid. With hot alien chicks.

That's worthy of respect all right.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-04-10 11:41pm

One of the things that really annoyed me about this episode, and most Voyager episodes in general, is that as soon as anyone beams over to alien ship, they immediatly know how to operate its computer, and its technology.

Kim should not have been able to read the computer displays let alone fix its warp core.

On Deep Space Nine, when the crew used the captured Jem-Hadar ship to destroy the ketracel white storehouse, it took them weeks to learn how to fly it. And that was after Federation Engineers had months to take the thing apart, and study it.

The idea that Kim could just beam over to an alien ship, and know its systems well enough to command it, is ridiculous.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-11 12:33am

Actually if it uses warp technology it's not that big of a leap. But yeah, he shouldn't have been able to do it really fast. It's just the nature of television.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-12 02:33pm

Montcalm wrote:I think Janeway is the admiral Daala of Star Trek.

Thats an insult to Daala. She was a good character idea who was flawed by having a shit head for a creater. If Daala had had a good creater she'd have kicked ass. She did in the Crystal Star.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-04-12 02:59pm

WTF? He's a damn senior officer apparently. Why the fuck couldn't he get promoted? Paris got repromoted in a year!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-04-12 03:37pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:WTF? He's a damn senior officer apparently. Why the fuck couldn't he get promoted? Paris got repromoted in a year!

What Promote their favorite Red Shirt! If they did that who would all the bad stuff happen to?

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-04-12 03:55pm

He deserved a promotion based solely on the number of times he died. Of course, with the "Big Red Reset Button" nobody would remember, but that's besides the point.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-12 04:28pm

And he did save the ship before. Well, a future version of him.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-04-12 09:22pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Seven years...thne again given the crew...I'm amazed Janeway was given a ship to captain that wasn't a tug.

How dare you say "Janeway" and "tug" in the same sentence! Foul beast!

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-04-12 09:26pm

The Voyager Borg must have assimilated the Pakleds, only to have their stupidity spread throughout the collective.

That's a great explanation actually

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-12 10:07pm

I think Janeway got a retroactive series of promotions as well. She was a captain for 7 years and suddenly by Nemesis she is a three star Admiral. I am assuming they gave her a double promotion after Voyager and a couple years later they promoted her again to ensure she stayed behind a desk and never threatened ships again.

As to the crew. Janeway is fucking stupid not having given field promotions. Hell, the captain of the ship is usualy the one to give promotions for duty anyway. She should have had a crew with a handful of Lieutenants and a whole shitload of LT Commanders, Commanders, and Captains. The enlisted people all should have been E-5 or higher as well.

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