How did the So'na get off that rock?

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-04-12 01:14pm

How did the So'na get off that planet in ST: Insurrection? Did they have old ships standing aorund in space for all those years - evidently quite a number of years, too.

And if they wanted to live forever, why didn't just build a nice technological base on the other side of the planet?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-12 02:27pm

My guess is that they had some ships stashed somewhere on the planet and simply repaired them. Afterall even the farmers in the villiage remembered how to fix a posotronic brain. As for why they left, a simple answer is revenge.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-04-12 03:31pm

Darth Pounder wrote:My guess is that they had some ships stashed somewhere on the planet and simply repaired them. Afterall even the farmers in the villiage remembered how to fix a posotronic brain. As for why they left, a simple answer is revenge.

I still can't get over the fact that Despite not using technology for a few hundred years the Baku still remember how to use it AND they remember it well enough to fix Data despite the fact that he was created using what was probably a very different technology from their own.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-04-12 05:34pm

i think they mentioned having their ships hidden somewhere.

that, or the Sona never stayed on that world, and remained in space using the rings around the planet to stay young-ish.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-12 05:50pm

Really the movie was a product of bad writting, no explanation can cover that up.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-04-12 07:36pm

aint it the truth :p

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-04-12 11:38pm

Why not go on the other side of the planet (600 people+no tech=blind and deaf) build a nuke and blow up the village?

Also, how were they expelled if the villagers are total pascifists?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-04-13 05:31am

Also, how were they expelled if the villagers are total pascifists?

They put up really big signs that said "LEAVE!!!"

Apparently, the So'na are scared of large letters.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-04-14 08:59am

My guess is that they had some ships stashed somewhere on the planet and simply repaired them. Afterall even the farmers in the villiage remembered how to fix a posotronic brain. As for why they left, a simple answer is revenge.

And I always how they did this with nothign more complex than a screwdriver.

Ok, I actually liked this movie, if for no other reason than it gave us some real action, and the actors were performing at their best.

Plus, it wasn't so bloody awful serious all the time. The actors had some real fun in the roles, and I always enjoy seeing that. Its not up to ST: First Contact, maybe, but I still liked it. I ignored all the social stuff and concentrated on the phaser blasts, explosions, and stunts.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-04-14 05:44pm

Yeah, I found it easy to ignore the flawed logic/bad plot+writing and enjoy it. Especially watching Data toss people around

(And the look on Worf's face when Data didn't lock up the first time was priceless [on the shuttle]

). I was able to enjoy Nemesis for much the same reasons: the actors were, well, acting well, having fun, and there was lots of pretty good action.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-04-14 10:13pm

Darksider wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:My guess is that they had some ships stashed somewhere on the planet and simply repaired them. Afterall even the farmers in the villiage remembered how to fix a posotronic brain. As for why they left, a simple answer is revenge.

I still can't get over the fact that Despite not using technology for a few hundred years the Baku still remember how to use it AND they remember it well enough to fix Data despite the fact that he was created using what was probably a very different technology from their own.

Another flaw in this stupid movie.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-04-15 02:52am

Darksider wrote:I still can't get over the fact that Despite not using technology for a few hundred years the Baku still remember how to use it AND they remember it well enough to fix Data despite the fact that he was created using what was probably a very different technology from their own.

Well the particle thingy's that made them immortal also improved their mental attributes (Troi's comments about the kids, Picard feeling revitalized Etc.), so I don't that that is all that bad.

Ajaz50 · Post by **Ajaz50** » 2003-04-23 09:19pm

Remember the fact that they didn't FIX data (Gordi had to do that) they just figured out what was wrong with him. It's simple enouph.... if my car wasn't turning on I'd know that it was because the engin was broken. THis is the same thin just feuturised.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-04-27 05:59pm

If they're immortal, perhaps they have really good memories as well.

As to the Sona, I figured that the "effects" of growing up on the Baku world gave them a "store" of the technobabble energy in their bodies, so they would appear immortal for awhile.

Hence why they could venture out and "die slowly." They're obviously very old as well, they just looked terrible (having used various medical treatments to try to stay ahead of the time crunch on their aging bodies).

Reminds me somewhat of the "phage" infected aliens in Voyager now that I think about it. Was that one made before or after?

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-04-27 06:07pm

They did point out that they had strong strength of mind and were highly intelligent at a young age.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2003-04-30 12:12pm

The novelization of Insurrection ( though not canon, I know ) points out IIRC that the Son'a weren't "evil" when they left the village ( though Ru'afo was somewhat disturbed even at that time ), and used some ancient ships to leave ( Hidden Evil has some ancient Ba'ku ships hidden in the ground ). They apparently managed to artificially duplicate the radiation thing, but in the end it nearly killed them ( sterility and accelerated aging due to tremendous genetic damage making them depedent upon their technology ). When they returned on the planet to seek revenge and heal, the Federation was around there. You know what happened next.