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I was thinking if this is a possible scenario how thar war went?

*An Romulan attack, lead by admiral Jarok starts the war by attacking the Norkon (sp?) outposts. (TNG: Defector)
*Earth scrambles every available ship carrying weapons to halt the Romulan offense. Some civilian ships are being refitted and gearing up for war to, since Earth forces doesn't really have the numbers.
*Halts the first wave of Romulan ships but takes heavy casulties and buys time for Earth forces to make new war strategies.
*Earth forces tries to retake several colonies that are under Romulan occupation but fails.

The war goes badly for Earth for at least six-eight months till the new shipyard Utopia Planetia gets online and is capable to build larger and stronger ships at somewhat faster rate. The war goes on and the turning point begins when both Vulcan and Andorians declares war upon Romulan Empire and assists Earth. At the battle of Cheron, combined of fleet elements from both Earth, Andorians and Vulcan managed to cause a humiliated blow to the Romulan navy. From there and on the war goes in favor of Earth/Andorian/Vulcan Alliance, and the battles starts to take place in Romulan space, and the Romulans realise they will loose the war they start negotiation for a possibly cease fire. The alliance is little bit careful but they want to avoid to spill more bloodshed. The ceasefire signed and the formation of the Federation begins, starts with Earth, Vulcan and Andor included all their colonies.

The Vulcans and Andorians are major Federation members; they don't need to declare war separately.

At the time of "The Defector", the Klingons are still reasonably reliable Federation allies. If the Romulans move against the Federation, the Klingons will move against the Romulans.

EDIT: Sorry, this looks like you're trying to discuss the pre-TOS war with the Romulans. My bad; the reference to Jarok threw me.

War between Earth/Early-Federation and the Romulans was supposedly fought before reliable visual communication systems existed, and the weapons involved were supposedly "old-fashioned" nuclear missiles, if I recall statements from "Balance of Terror" correctly. The Romulans didn't even have the equivalent of M/AM power generation by BoT (Scotty determined that they were limited to "simple impulse", which seems synonymous with fusion power in Trek).

Continuity is already screwed on this period of Federation history.

Ted C wrote:War between Earth/Early-Federation and the Romulans was supposedly fought before reliable visual communication systems existed, and the weapons involved were supposedly "old-fashioned" nuclear missiles, if I recall statements from "Balance of Terror" correctly. The Romulans didn't even have the equivalent of M/AM power generation by BoT (Scotty determined that they were limited to "simple impulse", which seems synonymous with fusion power in Trek).

Continuity is already screwed on this period of Federation history.

Well the Romulans must have used some kind of FTL travel since they almost threaten Earth itself from what I can remember. And there are hundreds of lightyears between Romulus and Earth.

Dark Primus wrote:

Ted C wrote:War between Earth/Early-Federation and the Romulans was supposedly fought before reliable visual communication systems existed, and the weapons involved were supposedly "old-fashioned" nuclear missiles, if I recall statements from "Balance of Terror" correctly. The Romulans didn't even have the equivalent of M/AM power generation by BoT (Scotty determined that they were limited to "simple impulse", which seems synonymous with fusion power in Trek).

Continuity is already screwed on this period of Federation history.

Well the Romulans must have used some kind of FTL travel since they almost threaten Earth itself from what I can remember. And there are hundreds of lightyears between Romulus and Earth.

Superluminal propulsion is pretty much a necessity; matter/anti-matter reaction systems for generating power are not. The Romulans were able to traverse at least a few light-years in a reasonable length of time, so they must have had FTL propulsion, but they must have been able to achieve such speeds with fusion power systems. Since they couldn't generate as much power as the Enterprise, they couldn't travel as fast. Even at their lower speed, they used up their fuel supplies much sooner than the Enterprise (they were concerned that they didn't have enough fuel to get home), further demonstrating the limits of their power systems.

Their disadvantages diminished when they traded cloaking technology to the Klingons for the D-7 cruiser design, which gave them warp engines, shields, and disruptors.

In the Enterprise era, though, the Romulans should be using "simple impulse" power generation (i.e., nuclear fusion). They should not have visual communication technology, and they should be using nuclear missiles for their primary weapons.

Ted C wrote:
Superluminal propulsion is pretty much a necessity; matter/anti-matter reaction systems for generating power are not. The Romulans were able to traverse at least a few light-years in a reasonable length of time, so they must have had FTL propulsion, but they must have been able to achieve such speeds with fusion power systems. Since they couldn't generate as much power as the Enterprise, they couldn't travel as fast. Even at their lower speed, they used up their fuel supplies much sooner than the Enterprise (they were concerned that they didn't have enough fuel to get home), further demonstrating the limits of their power systems.

Their disadvantages diminished when they traded cloaking technology to the Klingons for the D-7 cruiser design, which gave them warp engines, shields, and disruptors.

In the Enterprise era, though, the Romulans should be using "simple impulse" power generation (i.e., nuclear fusion). They should not have visual communication technology, and they should be using nuclear missiles for their primary weapons.

from what i'm aware of ST history before B&B anyway, the romulans traded the klingons there cloaking device for warp drive tech. if that means improved warp drive and energy producing tech or warp drive itself I don't think is explained.

Wrath wrote:from what i'm aware of ST history before B&B anyway, the romulans traded the klingons there cloaking device for warp drive tech. if that means improved warp drive and energy producing tech or warp drive itself I don't think is explained.

In the TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident", they discovered that the Romulans had started using a Klingon battlecruiser design (the D-7). This ship would include standard warp drive technology, presumably including a M/AM reactor. It probably also came with standard Klingon shields and weaponry. It probably wasn't the newest Klingon design, but it certainly had the power to achieve high warp speeds.

Wouldn't the war have to be going that bad for Earth that the Treaty of Algeron says no Romulan agression in favor of no cloaks for Earth?

Gandalf wrote:Wouldn't the war have to be going that bad for Earth that the Treaty of Algeron says no Romulan agression in favor of no cloaks for Earth?

from what I remeber the romulan war was fought pre tos where the romulans didn't have cloaking tech.....

Wrath wrote:

Gandalf wrote:Wouldn't the war have to be going that bad for Earth that the Treaty of Algeron says no Romulan agression in favor of no cloaks for Earth?

from what I remeber the romulan war was fought pre tos where the romulans didn't have cloaking tech.....

That was until B&B screwed up contunity.