What a Klingon BoP should REALLY be like

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-05-17 04:53am

Going by current trends...

It should have some kind of melee weapon, like a Gundam-style lightsaber / lance / whatever sticking out the side (or even just a good old-fashioned ram in front) and they should attack with that instead of disrupters 90% of the time

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-05-17 09:02am

Seriously the klingon bird of preys are quite effective ships. They cheap to constructed and have good shielding and firepower for their size. And a cloaking device makes them stealthy.

To upgrade a BoP first the disruptors should be replaced by pulse phasers. They are more effective and powerful. The torpedoes should be replaced by newer type VI models and new launchers with higher firing rate should be fitted. Given how voyger was able to detect a older cloaked battlecrusier with metaphasic scan the BoP's cloaking device should be upgraded to models used in Vorchas.

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2003-05-17 01:20pm

Klingons don't have Pulse Phaser tech.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-05-17 02:28pm

Sr.mal wrote:Klingons don't have Pulse Phaser tech.

Disruptors are always fired in pulse mode. Didn't you see them fired in ST:G?

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2003-05-17 02:37pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Sr.mal wrote:Klingons don't have Pulse Phaser tech.
Disruptors are always fired in pulse mode. Didn't you see them fired in ST:G?

I agree, but diruptors are not phasers. The kid wanted pulse PHASERS put on the BoP.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2003-05-17 03:50pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Sr.mal wrote:Klingons don't have Pulse Phaser tech.
Disruptors are always fired in pulse mode. Didn't you see them fired in ST:G?

The forward disruptor of the Vor'cha attack cruiser fires an energy beam. (Romulan Warbirds also have disruptors that fire energy beams instead of pulses, but of course those aren't Klingon weapons.)

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-17 04:21pm

Sr.mal wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:
Sr.mal wrote:Klingons don't have Pulse Phaser tech.
Disruptors are always fired in pulse mode. Didn't you see them fired in ST:G?
I agree, but diruptors are not phasers. The kid wanted pulse PHASERS put on the BoP.

Just a question: Are disruptors more effective than phasers, or vice versa?? I know that disruptors set on "stun" cause more pain than phasers set to stun, but I think that's it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-17 05:07pm

The BoP should be a mile long triangular shaped vessel painted white, and built a long time ago far far away. Did I mention the human crew?

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-05-17 05:31pm

Yes, but where are you going to get a Dairy-Lea slice that big?

HappyTarget · Post by **HappyTarget** » 2003-05-17 08:30pm

Actually, it's pretty hard to improve uppon the BoP design. For what it does, it's quite a successful ship. Cheap, easily mass produced, surprisingly hard hitting, well defended for something so small, manuverable as hell, low crew requirement and can cloak. Using current Alpha/Beta quad tech, you cannot really do much to improve on it.

Perhaps upengine it so it can mount/power another set of rapid fire disruptors mid wing, and upgrade the photon tube to perhaps quantums if the Feds gave the Klingons the tech. Other than that, for such a small ship, it can take it and dish it out with many of it's supposed betters. Mayhaps give it a thicker wing and add ablative armor (again, if the Feds gave the Klingons the tech), make it the Defiant class' bastard little Klingon cousin.

Other than that, it's already the premier pack hunter/killer ship in the Alpha/Beta quads IMHO. Which tells ya something about the design considering it's quite old by now.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-05-17 09:03pm

Why is the BoP a destroyer? It is more or less a rather large fighter, considering the manuverability it has.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-17 09:10pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The BoP should be a mile long triangular shaped vessel painted white, and built a long time ago far far away. Did I mention the human crew?

Watch it Sea Skimmer, this is the PST forum.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-05-17 09:38pm

HappyTarget wrote:Actually, it's pretty hard to improve uppon the BoP design. For what it does, it's quite a successful ship. Cheap, easily mass produced, surprisingly hard hitting, well defended for something so small, manuverable as hell, low crew requirement and can cloak. Using current Alpha/Beta quad tech, you cannot really do much to improve on it.

Perhaps upengine it so it can mount/power another set of rapid fire disruptors mid wing, and upgrade the photon tube to perhaps quantums if the Feds gave the Klingons the tech. Other than that, for such a small ship, it can take it and dish it out with many of it's supposed betters. Mayhaps give it a thicker wing and add ablative armor (again, if the Feds gave the Klingons the tech), make it the Defiant class' bastard little Klingon cousin.

Other than that, it's already the premier pack hunter/killer ship in the Alpha/Beta quads IMHO. Which tells ya something about the design considering it's quite old by now.

Wher would you put the larger power generator and equipment? The BoP is packed as it is.

HappyTarget · Post by **HappyTarget** » 2003-05-18 01:28am

Wher would you put the larger power generator and equipment? The BoP is packed as it is.

Just clean out nearly all of it's fairly spacious cargo bay and landing legs/wing sweep ability. Would likely result in a shorter set of legs due to lack of resupply, but then I don't think that by TNG+ eras the BOP is out on long missions with little to no resupply. Far better to increase its punch than have a mostly empty cargo bay and trans atmospheric capabliities IMHO. (shrug)

I feel that with the removal of the little used atmosphereic landing ability and shrinking the cargo bay, once could put in a larger warp core capable of powering more weapons and stronger shields. I could be wrong, but that's my thoughts.

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-05-18 02:45am

Why should Klingon warships have such good ranged attack power and a CLOAK to boot? I mean with the silly way Klingons are portrayed these days their ships should have been well dumbed down by now and they should have started using ramming attacks

And the cloak breaks every warrior code I can think of

Wrath · Post by **Wrath** » 2003-05-18 01:08pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Wher would you put the larger power generator and equipment? The BoP is packed as it is.

they can fit a humpback whale into one i'm sure they can find a little extra room

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-05-18 03:24pm

JodoForce wrote:Why should Klingon warships have such good ranged attack power and a CLOAK to boot? I mean with the silly way Klingons are portrayed these days their ships should have been well dumbed down by now and they should have started using ramming attacks And the cloak breaks every warrior code I can think of

Well to quote Worf from the time the Klingons attacked DS9.

"In War nothing is more honourable than victory." Cloaks are more than acceptable if they win.

Ironbeard · Post by **Ironbeard** » 2003-05-18 03:42pm

Heh, I can just imagine it. No weapons, just ultra-powerful shields and engines...and tons of transporters. Ship-to-ship combat would be handled by ramming the enemy until the shield overloaded, then teleporting over wave after wave of thugs...

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-05-19 05:49am

Right on, IronBeard

Darth Pounder wrote: "In War nothing is more honourable than victory." Cloaks are more than acceptable if they win.

They should think more of that before they drop their disrupters and pull out the Bat'leths

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2003-05-19 06:11am

how about some non spinal-mounted guns to kick your enemy while you just pass by?

Hades · Post by **Hades** » 2003-05-19 06:12am

Sr.mal wrote:Klingons don't have Pulse Phaser tech.

Well dont forget that they are allies with the federation since the Dominion war. Its posible that Technology was exchanged... or given

HappyTarget · Post by **HappyTarget** » 2003-05-19 12:45pm

how about some non spinal-mounted guns to kick your enemy while you just pass by?

The BoP, like the Defiant, is usually manuverable enough to put their primarily spinal mount weaponry on target. And the wingtip disruptors do traverse a bit, perhaps this could be improved uppon? Adding non spinal mounted guns would be better suited for a larger, less manuverable platform IMHO, as the BOP should be able to spin to fire it's primary weapons as it passes.

Pity Trek starships don't sideslip that often, even though they can.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-05-19 12:55pm

IMO having a turret on the top or bottom of the center of a BoP would be very beneficial. Having the forward facing guns firing against stronger targets while having the turret providing a sort of cover against incoming bad guys on their blind spots.

HappyTarget · Post by **HappyTarget** » 2003-05-19 02:08pm

Top one would be better, mounted on the top of the "engineering hull" hump. Bottom turret would be limited in arc due to the wings blocking most of its LOS. But I could see a turret housing disruptors similar to the wingtip ones being of high utility to a Klingon BoP commander. Still, it would likely require a bigger powerplant, else there would be more weapons aboard the stock BoP.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-05-19 02:16pm

do BoP's have exploding consoles?

Perhaps they could remove the cloaking device and use the energy needed for that to power the third diruptor.