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are they canon? are they not? and wheres the proof?

I hestitate to call them canon when they are riddled with errors that make Voyager look like it had continuity.

What are the fact files?

Anyways, Paramount's stance on the situation is that only the TV shows and movies are canon. So unless these fact files somehow fall under those two (which, AFAIK, they don't) then they are non-canon.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote: Paramount's stance on the situation is that only the TV shows and movies are canon. So unless these fact files somehow fall under those two (which, AFAIK, they don't) then they are non-canon.

Well the fact files are the information about the TV shows and movies. They dont included anything in the novels.

If you live in the US i dont know if they came out over there

Hades wrote:

Darth Garden Gnome wrote: Paramount's stance on the situation is that only the TV shows and movies are canon. So unless these fact files somehow fall under those two (which, AFAIK, they don't) then they are non-canon.

Well the fact files are the information about the TV shows and movies. They dont included anything in the novels.

If you live in the US i dont know if they came out over there

But they're not a TV show or a Movie, so they aren't canon.

While they may not be official cannon, I believe that, on the whole, they spell out the cannon stuff from the series.

While Paramount only classifies stuff on-screen as cannon... I think that the Fact Files may squeeze in as cannon... And differences (in the fact files) are probably done to correct things shown on screen that have been deemed as incorrect when looked at together with other info.

Unfortunately, the whole thing with the fact files isn't cut'n'dry like it should be. It IS officially endorsed by Paramount - so is probably as close to cannon as anything in print is.

If the Fact Files are what I think they are, then they are a collectible 3-ring binder filler doohickey that comes out (or came out) on a weekly basis. Basically, you buy the introductory binder, with a small bundle of fact-filled inserts and tab dividers, and every week after that you get to buy another bundle which then gets integrated into the collection. After a couple of cycles a further binder is put out, and so the collection grows.

There is/was a similar product put out for Star Wars.

yep thats what the factfiles are. There was about 300 issues of them in totel (meaning that at £1.99 each i spent about £600 on them)

I contemplated getting the star wars ones but i was still collecting the star trek ones when they started and couldnt afford both.

Patrick Ogaard wrote:If the Fact Files are what I think they are, then they are a collectible 3-ring binder filler doohickey that comes out (or came out) on a weekly basis. Basically, you buy the introductory binder, with a small bundle of fact-filled inserts and tab dividers, and every week after that you get to buy another bundle which then gets integrated into the collection. After a couple of cycles a further binder is put out, and so the collection grows.

There is/was a similar product put out for Star Wars.

Nope.

The Fact Files were printed on the inside of stuff they printed the cover art & episode summery on the video casket.

ggs wrote:

Patrick Ogaard wrote:If the Fact Files are what I think they are, then they are a collectible 3-ring binder filler doohickey that comes out (or came out) on a weekly basis. Basically, you buy the introductory binder, with a small bundle of fact-filled inserts and tab dividers, and every week after that you get to buy another bundle which then gets integrated into the collection. After a couple of cycles a further binder is put out, and so the collection grows.

There is/was a similar product put out for Star Wars.

Nope.

The Fact Files were printed on the inside of stuff they printed the cover art & episode summery on the video casket.

errrr.....no.
Patrick Ogaard was right. i dont know where you got what you think they are from. unless of course it was a joke in which cae you really should use a smily

Is Fact Files a Magazine?

I hope it is not the same magazine I once looked in to and saw an article about Enterprise E phasers could only dish out 7 megajoules.

Dark Primus wrote:Is Fact Files a Magazine?

I hope it is not the same magazine I once looked in to and saw an article about Enterprise E phasers could only dish out 7 megajoules.

Yeah, I was under the impression that Star Trek Fact Files was basically the UK/Asia/Oceana version of Star Trek the Magazine that's sold in the US...

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Dark Primus wrote:Is Fact Files a Magazine?

I hope it is not the same magazine I once looked in to and saw an article about Enterprise E phasers could only dish out 7 megajoules.

Yeah, I was under the impression that Star Trek Fact Files was basically the UK/Asia/Oceana version of Star Trek the Magazine that's sold in the US...

No thats just called star trek the magazine over here. Star trek fact files do not have articles or interviews or anything like that.

Each page pulls out from the magazine and gets slotted into the relevent section of a ring binder (divided into sections like: STAR TREK UNIVERS - times lines, planets and races, TECHNOLOGY, STARFLEET SHIPS, NON FEDERATION SHIPS, PERSONEL, and EPISODE AND MOVIE LOGS)

Each page is about a differant subject eg. one page might be about captin picard and women and would be put into the personel part of the folder another might be about The Enterprise E's Bridge and be under the Federation ships section while another might be about Transporter technology and be put under TECNOLOGY section

Basically it gets to the stage where you can look up any ship, person or tecnology and find out how it works/what they have done etc.....

I just wanted to know if it wa considerd canon. especially as its endorced by paramount

Well, despite the fact that the Fact Files might be endorsed by Paramount, they are not Canon, as only the live action television series and films are considered Canon.

And since Paramount doesn't have anything like an Official level, the Fact Files are therefore considered to be strictly non-Canon and cannot be used in debates.

To argue otherwise would be beating a dead horse.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, despite the fact that the Fact Files might be endorsed by Paramount, they are not Canon, as only the live action television series and films are considered Canon.

But thats the point. Everything in them is suposed to be taken directly from facts out of the shows or movie

Hades wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, despite the fact that the Fact Files might be endorsed by Paramount, they are not Canon, as only the live action television series and films are considered Canon.

But thats the point. Everything in them is suposed to be taken directly from facts out of the shows or movie

Listen. MOVIES and TV SHOWS ONLY are Canon, NOTHING else is. There is no teir system, there is no offical, there is nothing besides the TV SHOWS and the MOVIES. The Tech manuals are not canon, the fact files are not canon, the books are not canon. If it's not live action on your TV screen or on the Big screen and endorsed by Paramount, then it is NOT canon.

Well... by saying that nothing in print is to be considered cannon just goes to ensure that the Star Wars Vs Star Trek argument is always won by Star Wars??? Correct or not? Considering that the arguments FOR Wars seems to come from the books.

Basically... in the case of the fact files, it's cannon if you want to use it as such... as, to have a fair discussion on any Wars V Trek matchup, you need figures that are only available in PRINT.

To argue otherwise is just a way to exclude any information that may be used to upset the current "balance of power" that is FOR Star Wars.

Sorry to upset you Star Warsians... but that's the way it is. You all use your technical manuals for the figures in your arguments, but as soon as a Trekkie wants to use arguments from a printed publication, it's immediately deemed non-cannon in order to win the argument.

I'd be happy to lose an argument on Wars V Trek, so long as the same sort of publications from both realms were used in the debate. To disreguard all Trek printed stuff, but to include the Wars printed stuff, makes the whole argument (IMO) biased.

No, Luthor. You are wrong.

We use both LucasFilm and Paramount's individual Canon policies. One cannot be used to argue against the other.

You can't decide that you want to use written sources when debating on the Trek side just because you feel that that's how it should be. That's just being a bloody sore loser. It's not the fault of the SW side what Paramount decides its own Canon policy is.

Most of the evidence for the ST side comes from the Canon films and novelisations, by the way. We don't need to use the official materials, but we can because LucasFilm's Canon policy regards official material as Canon unless they are contradicted by the films, and then only on individual points.

It doesn't matter if you don't think it's fair. That's just how things are dictated by the Powers That Be, and we happen to follow them. If you don't like that, then I suggest you just go somewhere else less objective to debate.

Fair call there... Personally I think that Paramount has tied the hands of the Trekkies in this argument with their "only what's onscreen is cannon" policy. I mean, why bother to release any Tech manuals of Fact Files if they deem their contents non-cannon? Seems a bit silly to me.

But... no probs.. I understand completely where you're coming from here.

Fair enough. it isnt considerd canon for arguments (which dosnt bother me as i never do the Star wars Vs Star Trek thing)
But for all those that do surly you cant claim you have won an argument against str trek just because something hasnt been mantiond in the film!

If the firepower of a certain wepon is never mentiond then any argument against it MUST end as a tie as the relevent info is not there to judge which is best.