ST Nemesis. I want my two hours back.
Posted: 2003-05-29 01:23pm
Ok, first my disclaimer. I just (two days ago) watched Star Trek Nemesis. I did not waste money on it because of BlockBusters month pass thingy, rather I wasted 116 minutes of my life. I have not participated in many Nemesis threads, in fact I have avoided them, nor have I read a shit load about the movie. I did watched it already knowing the basic plotline and I did know a few twists (such as Data's sacrafice) but other than that, I knew very little about the movie.
This movie sucks shit, and this comes from a guy who actualy like Insurrection and First Contact. So much of this movie was a total rip off of other movies. I respect those who 'tip their hats' at other movies or stories in their projects, but alot of the stuff in Nemesis was a blatent rip off. There were some good parts (I must say) but not enough to save the movie.
Ok, as follows is my take on the stuff in the movie;
The Scimitar
Overly ugly and overly complex looking vessel that was totally unnecessary due to the fact that we (the audience) never get a good look at all the detail to make it worth while to have all the detail.
Some one's ubber wank job with 52 distrupter banks (IIRC) and yet it had a poor (in relation to it's overall weapons loadout) forward arc of fire. When Shizon ordered all forward weapons to fire on the Romulan WarBird, a paltry amount of fire hit the thing if you consider the total amount of weapons that they earlier say the Scimitar has.
The ships hanger is a collosal waste of space. The huge hanger that has a celing heigth large enough to acomodate a BoP (it seems) holds little itty bitty fighter type ships.
Shizon
This character was not necessary at all. I realize that they wanted TWOK remade for this movie, but using a clone was ridiculous and was playing for some extra ticket sales off of AotC. There were plenty of ex-villians from TNG that they could have reserected for the role. If anything Tasha Yar's daughter could have filled the role of arch enemy.
The desert planet
What the hell did that have to do with the over all plot. This would include the Argo shuttle and the Argo dune buggie. Why did all of those dudes on their own buggies keep missing Picard and company? Why was this even in the movie?
Radiation of the week (err...movie)
Once again, Star Trek characters are threatened by some extremely exotic radiation that produces some technobabble bullshit. Truely, if Shizon needed some WMD to wipe out Earth or what ever, just use good old fashion radiation (Xray, Gamma, ect). These things kill, and you don't have to keep coming up with unrealistic bullshit.
Also, why the hell was the weapon located on the fucking bridge? My God, at least put the fucking thing in the next compartment across the hall. Why waste the bridge space with a huge hole in the deck and some exotic weapon system embedded in it.
The Scorpian Class Attack ship
Ok, so this coffen with a gun is so small, even compared to ST's usual micro sized shuttles, that it is ludicrous. It is barely big enough to seat the two crew with little in the way of volume left for any other system let alone engines or weapons.
The weapon itself on the attack ship, is no bigger than rifle used by either the Feds or the Romulans but has a more destructive effect on targets (doors) than the hand held weaponary of the same size. I assume it would have something to do with a supposedly larger power source, yet the cramped hull of the ship would not be able to support a large power source for the weapon.
Flying through the hallways was dumb.
Scene rip off's
The scene where Picard is covering Data while he try's to access the hanger door is so a rip off of RotJ. It went way past a 'tip of the hat' straight to plagerising it.
The scene where Riker dives after the Remen, is another rip off but this time of ANH. Gah, don't these people have idea's of their own?
The final Battle
Ok, I actualy liked the final battle. For once the Feddies seem to use some honest to god tactics instead of technobabble to fight. It was refreshing to see a knock down drag out fight in ST were the ships pounded each other into submission. There was some dumb shit though;
Star Trek and Federation scensors to be more specific, seem uncapable of plotting with any accuracy in combat. The Scimitar was repeatedly firing its weapons and yet the Enterprise was having trouble targeting it because of its so called 'perfect cloak'. From the SFX's, the Scimitar did not apear to be nimble enough to evade the Enterprises weapons if the tactical officer would have plotted the fucking weapons fire and produced a generated bearing or projected course of the enemy ship. I have always hated this about ST.
The ramming scene, while cool, it asks questions about the shields of the Scimitar. Durring the dialog, Gerodi mentions that the Enterprise has serious shield loss on ventral, and forward arc's. Yet the Scimitar only has a 30% loss of overall shield systems yet they both collide. Are ST shields discressionary like SW shields can be? Can slow (realitive) moving objects penetrate the shields? They should have taken the time to either explain that the Scimitars shields were down in that sector or maybe the Scimitar had dropped its forward shields to transport Picard off.
For once, it would seem that the Romulan cloak could funciton with another shield system. The Enterprise did score some hits on the Scimitar while its cloak was running. Before, this would have cause maximum damage due to the fact the cloaks can't seem to run with protective shields in place. I don't know if this is something that just slid through or if it represents a new shield/cloak system.
Federation Fleet Tactics and Commad decisions
Picards fleet was 40 (IIRC) minutes away from his task force (but I don't know if they were going max warp so it could have been closer) when they passed the 'rift' and the Scimitar jumped them. Due to the 'rift' the Enterprise could not call the fleet for assistance. Yet, on their sensors, the Enterprise could see the fleet. I would assume that the acting commander of the fleet awaiting the arival of the Enterprise, would be watching for the Enterprise and could see them on their scensors. Could they not deduce a battle when they see one on their sensors? Yet no mention of the fleet coming to their resuce was said.
The battle was long enough that the fleet would make an threat to the Scimitar and even if it could not get there for 30 or 40 minutes, it would still represent of problem if the Scimitar could not conquer its enemy quickly.
I am glad this is the last ST movie with the TNG cast. This franchise needs to die.
This movie sucks shit, and this comes from a guy who actualy like Insurrection and First Contact. So much of this movie was a total rip off of other movies. I respect those who 'tip their hats' at other movies or stories in their projects, but alot of the stuff in Nemesis was a blatent rip off. There were some good parts (I must say) but not enough to save the movie.
Ok, as follows is my take on the stuff in the movie;
The Scimitar
Overly ugly and overly complex looking vessel that was totally unnecessary due to the fact that we (the audience) never get a good look at all the detail to make it worth while to have all the detail.
Some one's ubber wank job with 52 distrupter banks (IIRC) and yet it had a poor (in relation to it's overall weapons loadout) forward arc of fire. When Shizon ordered all forward weapons to fire on the Romulan WarBird, a paltry amount of fire hit the thing if you consider the total amount of weapons that they earlier say the Scimitar has.
The ships hanger is a collosal waste of space. The huge hanger that has a celing heigth large enough to acomodate a BoP (it seems) holds little itty bitty fighter type ships.
Shizon
This character was not necessary at all. I realize that they wanted TWOK remade for this movie, but using a clone was ridiculous and was playing for some extra ticket sales off of AotC. There were plenty of ex-villians from TNG that they could have reserected for the role. If anything Tasha Yar's daughter could have filled the role of arch enemy.The desert planet
What the hell did that have to do with the over all plot. This would include the Argo shuttle and the Argo dune buggie. Why did all of those dudes on their own buggies keep missing Picard and company? Why was this even in the movie?
Radiation of the week (err...movie)
Once again, Star Trek characters are threatened by some extremely exotic radiation that produces some technobabble bullshit. Truely, if Shizon needed some WMD to wipe out Earth or what ever, just use good old fashion radiation (Xray, Gamma, ect). These things kill, and you don't have to keep coming up with unrealistic bullshit.
Also, why the hell was the weapon located on the fucking bridge? My God, at least put the fucking thing in the next compartment across the hall. Why waste the bridge space with a huge hole in the deck and some exotic weapon system embedded in it.
The Scorpian Class Attack ship
Ok, so this coffen with a gun is so small, even compared to ST's usual micro sized shuttles, that it is ludicrous. It is barely big enough to seat the two crew with little in the way of volume left for any other system let alone engines or weapons.The weapon itself on the attack ship, is no bigger than rifle used by either the Feds or the Romulans but has a more destructive effect on targets (doors) than the hand held weaponary of the same size. I assume it would have something to do with a supposedly larger power source, yet the cramped hull of the ship would not be able to support a large power source for the weapon.
Flying through the hallways was dumb.
Scene rip off's
The scene where Picard is covering Data while he try's to access the hanger door is so a rip off of RotJ. It went way past a 'tip of the hat' straight to plagerising it.
The scene where Riker dives after the Remen, is another rip off but this time of ANH. Gah, don't these people have idea's of their own?
The final Battle
Ok, I actualy liked the final battle. For once the Feddies seem to use some honest to god tactics instead of technobabble to fight. It was refreshing to see a knock down drag out fight in ST were the ships pounded each other into submission. There was some dumb shit though;
Star Trek and Federation scensors to be more specific, seem uncapable of plotting with any accuracy in combat. The Scimitar was repeatedly firing its weapons and yet the Enterprise was having trouble targeting it because of its so called 'perfect cloak'. From the SFX's, the Scimitar did not apear to be nimble enough to evade the Enterprises weapons if the tactical officer would have plotted the fucking weapons fire and produced a generated bearing or projected course of the enemy ship.
I have always hated this about ST.The ramming scene, while cool, it asks questions about the shields of the Scimitar. Durring the dialog, Gerodi mentions that the Enterprise has serious shield loss on ventral, and forward arc's. Yet the Scimitar only has a 30% loss of overall shield systems yet they both collide. Are ST shields discressionary like SW shields can be? Can slow (realitive) moving objects penetrate the shields? They should have taken the time to either explain that the Scimitars shields were down in that sector or maybe the Scimitar had dropped its forward shields to transport Picard off.
For once, it would seem that the Romulan cloak could funciton with another shield system. The Enterprise did score some hits on the Scimitar while its cloak was running. Before, this would have cause maximum damage due to the fact the cloaks can't seem to run with protective shields in place. I don't know if this is something that just slid through or if it represents a new shield/cloak system.
Federation Fleet Tactics and Commad decisions
Picards fleet was 40 (IIRC) minutes away from his task force (but I don't know if they were going max warp so it could have been closer) when they passed the 'rift' and the Scimitar jumped them. Due to the 'rift' the Enterprise could not call the fleet for assistance. Yet, on their sensors, the Enterprise could see the fleet. I would assume that the acting commander of the fleet awaiting the arival of the Enterprise, would be watching for the Enterprise and could see them on their scensors. Could they not deduce a battle when they see one on their sensors? Yet no mention of the fleet coming to their resuce was said.
The battle was long enough that the fleet would make an threat to the Scimitar and even if it could not get there for 30 or 40 minutes, it would still represent of problem if the Scimitar could not conquer its enemy quickly.
I am glad this is the last ST movie with the TNG cast. This franchise needs to die.
What the fuck were they scared of? Can the Romulans for some unkown genetic fucked up reason, desing super weapons, super cloaks but no shields to match? Well? If they had 'such an impressive arsenal' doesn't it seem reasonable that they would have a comparitively impressive shield system?