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What would happen if the USS Defiant engaged the USS Enterpise-D ? Who will win ? The Defiant is captained by Sisko and the Enterprise has Picard.

I believe the Defiant wins though she will be very heavily damaged and perhaps even be crippled by the Enterprise.

The Defiant class is considered to be equivalent or superior to the GCS in most areas.

1. Defiants have pulse phaser that are more powerful than GCS phaser arrays.

2. They have quantum torpedoes packing twice the punch of a GCS's photon torpedo.

3. Also they have heavy shielding and incorporate abalative armour technology, something not found in the Galaxy class.

4. Defiants are far more manaeuverable than the GCS. This would prevent the Enterprise from bringing most of its phasers or torpedoes to bear on the Defiant and make it difficult to hit.

5. USS Defiant is equipped with a cloaking device giving it an edge in combat. Given how medicore ships like Bird of Preys can become a threat due to cloaking devices the Defiant could be a really deadly foe.

Flown intelligently, the Defiant can hover in one of Enterprise's blind spots.

Howedar wrote:Flown intelligently, the Defiant can hover in one of Enterprise's blind spots.

I agree. The Defiant can fly into a blind spot like Han Solo did it with a star destroyer in TESB. Getting through the shields is going to be the problem. But considering how shuttles and other small craft have penetrated shields in some episodes it may not be impossible to do so.

They don't even need to do that. Just pump shots into the Galaxy until the shields fall. Its not as if the Galaxy can maneuver to fire on the Defiant. Galaxies maneuver like beached whales.

Howedar wrote:They don't even need to do that. Just pump shots into the Galaxy until the shields fall. Its not as if the Galaxy can maneuver to fire on the Defiant. Galaxies maneuver like beached whales.

Once the Enterprise losses shields fancy maneuvers are not going to be necessary. Just takling out the warp nacceles will destroy the ship as seen in "cause and its effect".

The Defiants pulse phasers may be more powerfull than a phaser array, but the GCS's have more than one. They have 10 - 12 arrays and strips.

Let us backtrack to the incident with the Lakota and the Defiant. The Lakota was a super Excelsior. The upgrades on it probably made it equal to a Galaxy. The Lakota and the Defiant both did equal amounts of damage to each other. There was a spot at the end when it was stated that one more shot by either vessel would finish the target ship off.

I reckon they are a match.

TurboPhaser wrote:The Defiants pulse phasers may be more powerfull than a phaser array, but the GCS's have more than one. They have 10 - 12 arrays and strips.

Yes, but there is not full coverage.

Let us backtrack to the incident with the Lakota and the Defiant. The Lakota was a super Excelsior. The upgrades on it probably made it equal to a Galaxy. The Lakota and the Defiant both did equal amounts of damage to each other. There was a spot at the end when it was stated that one more shot by either vessel would finish the target ship off.

The Defiant might as well have been flown by monkeys in that battle. The crew did an excellent job of presenting themselves as targets to nearly every weapons array on the Lakota. Good eye candy, but a poor way to fight. Had the Defiant merely stayed in one of the Lakota's blind spots, it could have won with no damage.

I reckon they are a match.

On paper, perhaps. Not in practice.

TurboPhaser wrote:The Defiants pulse phasers may be more powerfull than a phaser array, but the GCS's have more than one. They have 10 - 12 arrays and strips.

Let us backtrack to the incident with the Lakota and the Defiant. The Lakota was a super Excelsior. The upgrades on it probably made it equal to a Galaxy. The Lakota and the Defiant both did equal amounts of damage to each other. There was a spot at the end when it was stated that one more shot by either vessel would finish the target ship off.

I reckon they are a match.

Individualy the pulse phasers are stronger the GCS phaser arrays. Togather they may pack a heavier punch than the GCS phasers. Also do not forget the type 10 phaser strips on the Defiant that are same as the GCS models.

When it comes to torpedoes the Defiant has quantums giving her superior torpedo firepower.

What blind spots does a GCS have that a ship the size of the Defiant could hide in?

The rear quarters, masked by the nacelles.

Indulge me here, I have mocked up a few images of phaser coverage for a Galaxy class.



Yellow marks the arrays, orange lines show the extent of each arrays coverage.

The marked one above the bottom nacelle pylon one is either side of the aft torpedo launchers. There are phaser strips there. Same thing with the dorsal saucer. A small phaser strip behind the main array.

The grey lines are just left over from some tags describing various areas of the ship. I got rid of the tags to make room.

Let us backtrack to the incident with the Lakota and the Defiant. The Lakota was a super Excelsior. The upgrades on it probably made it equal to a Galaxy. The Lakota and the Defiant both did equal amounts of damage to each other. There was a spot at the end when it was stated that one more shot by either vessel would finish the target ship off.

Not an proper show of effectiveness, for EITHER ship.

1) Neither ship was trying to outright destroy the other, merely cripple them so that they wouldn't reach Earth (Lakota vs Defiant) or that they could slip past to Earth (Defiant vs Lakota)

2) Defiant didn't fight smartly at all in that battle. She flew through damn near every phaser arc the Lakota had and didn't concentrate her fire on any single shield arc, instead spreading it around far to much to be effective.

Basically, both ships were dicking around and not throwing their best punches because neither ship really wanted to kill the other.

On paper, perhaps. Not in practice.

Exactly. Ohh, I have 12 phaser arrays! So what, don't mean diddly if you can't train your primary ones on target.

Small question. Does anyone think that the smaller arrays are = in power to the main ones on a Galaxy's primary hull? IMHO they should put out smilar levels of firepower to the Defiant's own type 10's being of simlar size.

HappyTarget wrote:Small question. Does anyone think that the smaller arrays are = in power to the main ones on a Galaxy's primary hull? IMHO they should put out smilar levels of firepower to the Defiant's own type 10's being of simlar size.

The Defiant's phaser strips should be less powerful than a Galaxy's as a Defiant seriously lacks the power output of the Galaxy.
It's different with the pulse-phasers though, as we've seen them tear things to shreds. My question is: Why weren't the bigger Starfleet vessels equipped with pulse phasers during the Dominion war? Are they resource, or labour intensive?

Both i'd say. Though pulse phaser turets would have been great to see on Galaxy's etc. It would have showed how much SF had realized they lacked proper warships.

Even though their 'Explorer' ships are armed like warships.

I still give this to the Galaxy, simply because it larger, has more power available to its weapons, has more weapons, and its been proven to have rapid fire torpedo launchers. The Defiant has not demonstrated this ability.

The fact that a GCS is larger mean it can withstand more hull impacts. The Defiant was blown apart by 1 torpedo in that DS9 episode. Its armour apparently was not working.

A War GCS could hand the Defiant its ass. However, a standard Galaxy doesn't stand a chance. The Defiant class can fire off 6 Quantums in only a few seconds time and maintain a fire rate of 2 quantums per second until its magazines are empty. That is more then enough to shred the Enterprise.

Two BoPs collapsed the top shield of the E-D once, I don't think the much superior Defiant will have any trouble.

Alyeska wrote:A War GCS could hand the Defiant its ass. However, a standard Galaxy doesn't stand a chance. The Defiant class can fire off 6 Quantums in only a few seconds time and maintain a fire rate of 2 quantums per second until its magazines are empty. That is more then enough to shred the Enterprise.

IIRC firing 6 quantums off like that involved double loading the launchers which Sisko aknowledged was very dangerous.

TurboPhaser wrote:Indulge me here, I have mocked up a few images of phaser coverage for a Galaxy class.

Yellow marks the arrays, orange lines show the extent of each arrays coverage.

If I read that image right the Defiant could just stay in front of the disk, between the firing arcs if the upper and lower phaser strips...

"No, captain, we can't shoot them because they are right in front of us!"

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:The Defiant's phaser strips should be less powerful than a Galaxy's as a Defiant seriously lacks the power output of the Galaxy.It's different with the pulse-phasers though, as we've seen them tear things to shreds. My question is: Why weren't the bigger Starfleet vessels equipped with pulse phasers during the Dominion war? Are they resource, or labour intensive?

BZZZZZZZT! wrong it is stated in DS9 that the warp core of the Defiant is more powerful than that of a galaxy class starship.

Jawawithagun wrote:

TurboPhaser wrote:Indulge me here, I have mocked up a few images of phaser coverage for a Galaxy class.

Yellow marks the arrays, orange lines show the extent of each arrays coverage.

If I read that image right the Defiant could just stay in front of the disk, between the firing arcs if the upper and lower phaser strips...

"No, captain, we can't shoot them because they are right in front of us!"

Except for the small problem that they'd be sitting right in the primary firing arc of the forward torpedo launcher.

Jawawithagun wrote:

TurboPhaser wrote:Indulge me here, I have mocked up a few images of phaser coverage for a Galaxy class.

Yellow marks the arrays, orange lines show the extent of each arrays coverage.

If I read that image right the Defiant could just stay in front of the disk, between the firing arcs if the upper and lower phaser strips...

"No, captain, we can't shoot them because they are right in front of us!"

Hmmm, maybe. But I think the Defiant is too big for that. Its ass would be in firing distance.

BZZZZZZZT! wrong it is stated in DS9 that the warp core of the Defiant is more powerful than that of a galaxy class starship.

Exscuse me!!? When, what episode, I want a direct quote.

IIRC firing 6 quantums off like that involved double loading the launchers which Sisko aknowledged was very dangerous.

Quote please. I dont remember anything like that.

Why does everyone keep saying the defiant has phaser strips? Name one episode that our defiants have phaser strips.
The only time i've sen a defiant fire phasers its been the defiant from the mirror universe which was using the orginal plans for the defaint class not the production model.

Are we discussing what theese ships could do or what they would do? Discussing defiant-class vs Non-War Galaxy-class is quite different from discussing USS Defaint vs USS Enterprise-D[/u]

Col. Crackpot wrote:

Alyeska wrote:A War GCS could hand the Defiant its ass. However, a standard Galaxy doesn't stand a chance. The Defiant class can fire off 6 Quantums in only a few seconds time and maintain a fire rate of 2 quantums per second until its magazines are empty. That is more then enough to shred the Enterprise.

IIRC firing 6 quantums off like that involved double loading the launchers which Sisko aknowledged was very dangerous.

Nope, these instances come from two seperate incidents. One when Tom Riker commanded the Defiant and another when those idiots had control of the Valiant. Both showed a double fire rate of 4 QTs in a second with a reload of 1 second per launcher and a sustained fire rate from that point forward of 2 torpedoes per second. Double loading the launcher is frequently done and allows for a momentary first large volley. If you just fire standard then you fire off torpedoes slightly slower but average 2 torpedoes per second.

Crazedwraith wrote:Why does everyone keep saying the defiant has phaser strips? Name one episode that our defiants have phaser strips.
The only time i've sen a defiant fire phasers its been the defiant from the mirror universe which was using the orginal plans for the defaint class not the production model.

Are we discussing what theese ships could do or what they would do? Discussing defiant-class vs Non-War Galaxy-class is quite different from discussing USS Defaint vs USS Enterprise-D[/u]

Incorrect. The USS Defiant has both a top phaser array just behind the bridge as well as a phaser near the deflector dish. In a Voyager episode another Defiant class was shown firing a bottom side phaser array.

TurboPhaser wrote:

BZZZZZZZT! wrong it is stated in DS9 that the warp core of the Defiant is more powerful than that of a galaxy class starship.

Exscuse me!!? When, what episode, I want a direct quote.

It has been a long time since I saw the episode and I don't remember the name of the episode, but IIRC it is stated in the same conversation that Kira says the pulse phaser canons are more powerful than a galaxy class ships phasers. If anyone can remember the name of that episode please speak up.