ST III: Woefully Underestimated?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-07-13 08:59pm

I've always thought that, as one of the Odd Numbered Movies, ST3 always got a bad rap. As a continuation of ST2, I feel it does a good job. The point that always gets me is how much Kirk actually loses, its almost tragic. He loses:

-His careeer (though he gets it back, but he doesn't know that)
-His ship (he later will get a new one, but he doesn't know that either)
-His son (obviously, David can't be replaced)

He was perfectly willing to throw his career away to save the lives of two of his friends, and I've always thought that was cool.

Thoughts?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-07-13 09:08pm

My reaction to ST III was: Meh.

In retrospect, many of the other films make it look good.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-07-13 10:32pm

I would go fair but not outstanding

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-13 11:31pm

It was all right. But nothing special

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-07-13 11:33pm

It's the best of the odd numbered movies. But that's not saying much.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-14 12:02am

It bored me. It was silly.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-07-14 12:13am

Spock should've stayed dead.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-07-14 02:06am

The first half of the movie was fucking great, it just kind of nose dived from there though.

STIII introduced so many cool ST things;

1. Excelceior (probably my second fav ST ship)
2. Mushroom starbase
3. Oberth class (not the best ship, but atleast it was new)
4. Klingon BoP (weather you like or not, the thing in now integral to ST)
5. Dumb ass Merchantman ship

It also have some good insight in SF and some cherry shots of the Enterprise entering and leaving spacedock. Things only went to shit when they got to Genesis and the Klingons started hunting them. The cheesy sets where even cheesier than the original show.

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2003-07-14 02:06am

Dealing with the fallout of the events in TWOK, it was a decent movie. The ending left things somewhat the same as they were in the good ol' days of the TV series. Yes, the crew was all back in one piece, but the Enterprise was not.
And while the crew was alive, and well, they faced a huge penalty for
what they did to save Spock.
I don't think the film was fantastic, but it did well enough that I think
it was in second place of the first three Trek films. TWOK being first,
TSFS second and TMP third.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-14 02:18am

HemlockGrey wrote:Spock should've stayed dead.

He shouldn't have been killed in the first place. But once you kill someone, for God's sakes keep them dead.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-07-14 02:26am

why does everyone hate ST 3.... it had to be the best st aside from 2 4 6 8

it actually had some of the best designs of ST, the best bridge design.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-14 02:37am

Dennis Toy wrote:why does everyone hate ST 3.... it had to be the best st aside from 2 4 6 8

it actually had some of the best designs of ST, the best bridge design.

The best bridge was the one from ST:FC.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-07-14 02:52am

The LCARS interface (and that godawful color scheme) from the TNG movies can NEVER win against the ST2 bridge.

He shouldn't have been killed in the first place.

I disagree; I think that it makes the movie better.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-07-14 03:04am

Well, in some respects it does. However, it clearly nerfs the franchise unless TPTB are willing to pull something cheap to bring him back.

Golly, I guess thats what happened...

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-07-14 03:29am

Howedar wrote:Well, in some respects it does. However, it clearly nerfs the franchise unless TPTB are willing to pull something cheap to bring him back.

Golly, I guess thats what happened...

Keep in mind nobody had any idea that there'd ever be a Star Trek 3. They thought TWOK could very well be the last Star Trek.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-14 03:34am

One issue might be that quite a few fans were fairly upset that Robin Curtis replaced Kirstie Alley in the roll of Saavik.

Personally, I rather like it (especially for the sequence when the Enterprise is destroyed), and think it's the best of the odd-numbered films (although TMP still has somewhat of a soft spot in my heart

).

kmart · Post by **kmart** » 2003-07-15 07:21pm

Dennis Toy wrote:why does everyone hate ST 3.... it had to be the best st aside from 2 4 6 8

it actually had some of the best designs of ST, the best bridge design.

What bridge design? It is pretty much the same as ST2, just with a lighter colored flooring. Except for wiping off battle smudges, it doesn't look appreciably different when masquerading as the GRISSOM.

If you're talking about EXCELSIOR's bridge (or the klingon bridge with its ludicrous circus umbrella ceiling), I will just assume you're being sarcastic.

I don't hold with your rankings either, as I rank ST 3 & 4 & 8 at the absolute bottom of the barrel, as the Nimoy directed films don't look much like movies to me and FC is just a schizophrenic mess once you see past the nice miniature work.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-07-17 12:28am

Can anyone adequately explain why the shitty BoP brigde in STIII was gone by STIV?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-07-17 03:47am

Presumably reworked while it was repaired at Vulcan.

kmart · Post by **kmart** » 2003-07-17 11:49am

Vympel wrote:Can anyone adequately explain why the shitty BoP brigde in STIII was gone by STIV?

I remember when we first saw pics of the BOP bridge for ST4, the joke consensus among some friends was that they rebuilt the bridge so that Shatner would not have 'the high ground' relative to the rest of the cast, which would keep him from pissing down on the minor players any more than he was already doing.

You could maybe justify the interior change by saying they needed Vulcan computers to interface with Fed comm stuff, but why the Vulcans would give them consoles that were rusty and had klingon looking controls, that's beyond me.