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Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-07-14 02:29pm

Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein

Something the Federation has forgotten

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-14 04:08pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein

Something the Federation has forgotten

Then why do the Borg always loose?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-07-14 04:20pm

Admiral Johnason wrote: Then why do the Borg always loose?

Because in a battle of wits between a rock and the Borg the rock would administer such a beating that the entire collective couldn’t walk for a month.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-14 04:25pm

Because they do everything by comittee.

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2003-07-14 05:54pm

I agree with Necron, well said.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-07-14 07:28pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Typhonis 1 wrote:Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein

Something the Federation has forgotten
Then why do the Borg always loose?

Bad writing.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-14 11:10pm

All right, new question. How come the Federation is almost always able to bond with their defeated enemies after a war and bond a lasting peace and enforce it?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-07-14 11:50pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:All right, new question. How come the Federation is almost always able to bond with their defeated enemies after a war and bond a lasting peace and enforce it?

They don't the Romulans and Cardassians both strayed near war after the Feds had fought them most other races simply retreated to stand offs and little to no contact (Tzenkethi etc).

This of course isn't that bad they did reconcile with the Romulans for a short time after the end of the Earth-romulan war (abuot 100+ years) but that took awhile and was short lasting.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-15 12:21am

Well, that's only because they established a neutral zone that's an act of war to cross between the two territories and the Romulans became severe isolationists for those 100+ years...

Didn't look like much of a reconciliation to me...

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-07-15 02:39am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, that's only because they established a neutral zone that's an act of war to cross between the two territories and the Romulans became severe isolationists for those 100+ years...

Didn't look like much of a reconciliation to me...

No they did at one point they were very buddy buddy, hell the Romulan ambassador was sitting in on starfleet briefings if that isn't a good relationship I don't know what is.

They had the Earth Romulan war and then a little over 100 years later a brief friendship then back to the isolationism for another 100 years until TNG.

I checked my last message and I wasn't very clear, sorry.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-15 03:59pm

It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-07-15 04:31pm

Isolder74 wrote:It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.

what? the ent-c was at khitomer? I thought it was ni-and-dra 3(photentic spelling there). Oh well. How many massacres did the romulans pull on the klingons?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-15 05:04pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.
what? the ent-c was at khitomer? I thought it was ni-and-dra 3(photentic spelling there). Oh well. How many massacres did the romulans pull on the klingons?

Have you never seen Yesterday Enterprize?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-15 05:04pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.
what? the ent-c was at khitomer? I thought it was ni-and-dra 3(photentic spelling there). Oh well. How many massacres did the romulans pull on the klingons?

Have you never seen Yesterday Enterprize?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-07-15 05:04pm

The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President

Yeah that has always been my take, it probably also led to renewed Romulan - Klingon tensions.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-15 05:08pm

TheDarkling wrote:
The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President
Yeah that has always been my take, it probably also led to renewed Romulan - Klingon tensions.

Didn't they go to war over that?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-15 05:42pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:
The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President
Yeah that has always been my take, it probably also led to renewed Romulan - Klingon tensions.
Didn't they go to war over that?

Yes i think it was the Klingon's chest banging that lead to the Romulon's sneek attack on Khitomer. The Romulons always were ones to take any advantage they can if they see war as inevitable.

Edit: fixed spelling

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-07-15 11:45pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein.

Do you have any other quotes where he backs up this claim?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-07-16 01:59am

not really but another historical figure states : George Washington : If you seek to avoid insult be ready to rebuke it.If you seek peace prepare for war

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-16 02:05am

and then there is the words of Confucious:

"If you want peace prepare for War."

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-16 02:42am

Not just confusius that was also Aristotal, and Caesar, said that too.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-16 02:49am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Not just confusius that was also Aristotal, and Caesar, said that too.

Yes but many people think of Confusious as a pacifist!

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-16 03:15am

True, I believe Sun Tzu and Clauswitz couldn't stress that point enough either...

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-07-16 03:27am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:True, I believe Sun Tzu and Clauswitz couldn't stress that point enough either...

Sun Tzu also said the nation without the will to fight is a nation of willing slaves

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-07-16 10:48am

Isolder74 wrote:

Have you never seen Yesterday Enterprize?

You've never seen it.

GARRETT: We were responding to a distress call from the Klingon outpost on Narendra Three... the Romulans were attacking it. We engaged them, but there were four warbirds

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