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Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein

Something the Federation has forgotten

Typhonis 1 wrote:Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein

Something the Federation has forgotten

Then why do the Borg always loose?

Admiral Johnason wrote: Then why do the Borg always loose?

Because in a battle of wits between a rock and the Borg the rock would administer such a beating that the entire collective couldn’t walk for a month.

Because they do everything by comittee.

I agree with Necron, well said.

Admiral Johnason wrote:

Typhonis 1 wrote:Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein

Something the Federation has forgotten

Then why do the Borg always loose?

Bad writing.

All right, new question. How come the Federation is almost always able to bond with their defeated enemies after a war and bond a lasting peace and enforce it?

Admiral Johnason wrote:All right, new question. How come the Federation is almost always able to bond with their defeated enemies after a war and bond a lasting peace and enforce it?

They don't the Romulans and Cardassians both strayed near war after the Feds had fought them most other races simply retreated to stand offs and little to no contact (Tzenkethi etc).

This of course isn't that bad they did reconcile with the Romulans for a short time after the end of the Earth-romulan war (abuot 100+ years) but that took awhile and was short lasting.

Well, that's only because they established a neutral zone that's an act of war to cross between the two territories and the Romulans became severe isolationists for those 100+ years...

Didn't look like much of a reconciliation to me...

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, that's only because they established a neutral zone that's an act of war to cross between the two territories and the Romulans became severe isolationists for those 100+ years...

Didn't look like much of a reconciliation to me...

No they did at one point they were very buddy buddy, hell the Romulan ambassador was sitting in on starfleet briefings if that isn't a good relationship I don't know what is.

They had the Earth Romulan war and then a little over 100 years later a brief friendship then back to the isolationism for another 100 years until TNG.

I checked my last message and I wasn't very clear, sorry.

It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.

Isolder74 wrote:It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.

what? the ent-c was at khitomer? I thought it was ni-and-dra 3(photentic spelling there). Oh well. How many massacres did the romulans pull on the klingons?

Crazedwraith wrote:

Isolder74 wrote:It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.

what? the ent-c was at khitomer? I thought it was ni-and-dra 3(photentic spelling there). Oh well. How many massacres did the romulans pull on the klingons?

Have you never seen Yesterday Enterprize?

Crazedwraith wrote:

Isolder74 wrote:It seems that the TNG Federation thinks that they can get away with paying off their enemies rather then using the threat of force to keep their neighbors in line/ The Federation has really downsized their military since the Kitomer Conference. The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President and from the later Kitomer Massacre and the loss of the Enterprise-C in that battle.

what? the ent-c was at khitomer? I thought it was ni-and-dra 3(photentic spelling there). Oh well. How many massacres did the romulans pull on the klingons?

Have you never seen Yesterday Enterprize?

The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President

Yeah that has always been my take, it probably also led to renewed Romulan - Klingon tensions.

TheDarkling wrote:

The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President

Yeah that has always been my take, it probably also led to renewed Romulan - Klingon tensions.

Didn't they go to war over that?

Admiral Johnason wrote:

TheDarkling wrote:

The new rift between the Federatio and the Romulons may stem from the fact that the Romulon Ambassador was in of the assasination attempt on the Federation President

Yeah that has always been my take, it probably also led to renewed Romulan - Klingon tensions.

Didn't they go to war over that?

Yes i think it was the Klingon's chest banging that lead to the Romulon's sneek attack on Khitomer. The Romulons always were ones to take any advantage they can if they see war as inevitable.

Edit: fixed spelling

Typhonis 1 wrote:Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. - Robert Heinlein.

Do you have any other quotes where he backs up this claim?

not really but another historical figure states : George Washington : If you seek to avoid insult be ready to rebuke it.If you seek peace prepare for war

and then there is the words of Confucious:

"If you want peace prepare for War."

Not just confusius that was also Aristotal, and Caesar, said that too.

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Not just confusius that was also Aristotal, and Caesar, said that too.

Yes but many people think of Confusious as a pacifist!

True, I believe Sun Tzu and Clauswitz couldn't stress that point enough either...

The Yosemite Bear wrote:True, I believe Sun Tzu and Clauswitz couldn't stress that point enough either...

Sun Tzu also said the nation without the will to fight is a nation of willing slaves

Isolder74 wrote:


Have you never seen Yesterday Enterprize?

You've never seen it.

GARRETT: We were responding to a distress call from the Klingon outpost on Narendra Three... the Romulans were attacking it. We engaged them, but there were four warbirds