Star Trek Enterprise, Episode 4-01, Storm Front

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-10-08 10:03pm

Just saw the Episode.

The Krauts, with Some Assistance from Aliens that look somewhat like Remans (athough without the Light Intolerance) have Conquored Moscow and a large Chunk of the American East Coast. USS (As in United States Seas) Enterprise has been sunk, but the Germans are experiancing Losses. There begining there Ol' Genoside of Inferior Races game in the US, Blacks are undergoing the Gettoing thing, and there is Resistance.

Danials come out with parts of his body in diferent states, tells the crew the Temperal cold war got hot, and the Timeline is getting Royaly fucked around with armies of Agents sent threwout it, screwing history up Bigtime. There also Fanatics that extreamly apose the Temporal Acord.

The Aliens (Lead by a guy named Vosk) in WW-2 offer the Germans some sort of Plasma Bolter that fires a Bolt as powerful as "Three 88 Milimetre Shells" and that it could destroy a Second World War Tank.

The Episode was Ok, Lots of Action and a Desent Plot, Only major Quam was the aliens building a Time Machine using 20th century stuff. 8/10.

Zor

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-10-08 11:00pm

How could they build up a navy to defeat the USN, build an amphibious force up able to cross the Atlanitc and conquer the northeastern US but they're having problems in fucking Africa and Moscow?

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-10-08 11:39pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:How could they build up a navy to defeat the USN, build an amphibious force up able to cross the Atlanitc and conquer the northeastern US but they're having problems in fucking Africa and Moscow?

It could be something as simple as giving key information about certain points in history. Midway being a great example of that. If the Jap Navy had had the intel on the American Fleet, things would've been much more difficult for us in the pacific. And they never said the USN was defeated, just that the Big E had sunk sometime during the war (possibly at Midway).

And essentially, the storyline is they've conquered Moscow and much of Africa, but feel they are spreading their forces too thin despite the help being recieved from the aliens.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-10-08 11:40pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:How could they build up a navy to defeat the USN, build an amphibious force up able to cross the Atlanitc and conquer the northeastern US but they're having problems in fucking Africa and Moscow?

Mabye Hitler had them Divert Troops, he might have seen Soviet Union as dead and that he neaded suport in the current battlefront.

Me two Cents

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-10-08 11:41pm

Zor wrote: The Episode was Ok, Lots of Action and a Desent Plot, Only major Quam was the aliens building a Time Machine using 20th century stuff. 8/10.

Zor

Well I don't see a problem with this. With the know how, and the infrastructure to get it built, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to construct it as long as it doesn't require any sort of exotic materials.

As far as why, I'm not sure of you caught it but apparently the method these particular aliens used to time travel was one way, either by accident or circumstance, which is why they are trying to get it built in the past.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-09 02:43am

If this episode is suppoused to represent what we've been assured season 4 will be, I am not impressed and I find myself once again wondering why fans bothered to save ENT, P.O.S. that it has become...

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-09 02:53am

Well I dont like the temporal cold war thing much. Enough time travell. Do the Earth-Romulan war instead.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-09 06:30am

JME2 wrote:If this episode is suppoused to represent what we've been assured season 4 will be, I am not impressed and I find myself once again wondering why fans bothered to save ENT, P.O.S. that it has become...

It's because they're whores.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2004-10-09 10:40am

What I don't understand is how Danials basically said that stopping "him" in this time would put everything back on the right track. Clearly changes have already been made to the timeline that, by killing or stopping "him" wouldn't really solve the whole WWII issue. It may well allow the allies to win the war, but history would still have record of them invading the US.

No doubt they'll have some temporal whatchamacallit fix it all, probably when they destroy the conduit.

And why did Enterprise pick up a Churchill speech? Are they stating that Britain is STILL fighting? Are they honestly suggesting that Hitler bypassed Britain to hit the US? Or is this supposed to be Churchill stuck in some bunker somewhere giving this speech? There was no mention of them fighting, but it strikes me as odd that he would still be around chatting about resistance at this time. Especially with all the help from these aliens, that they can't seem to find him.

Then, of course, there's the fact that I couldn't honestly believe that Hitler would really accept these aliens into such a high position in his military. He wanted a purity of the human race and was willing to kill millions of humans to do it, yet he'd allow these aliens, whatever their motives, into high levels of his government? I can see him maybe using them, while keeping a tight leash, but not high level SS operatives.

Basically, this episode is pretty much what I was afraid of when seeing last season's final episode.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2004-10-09 11:01am

Incidently, as a side note, this episode once again demonstrates the necessity of B&B (or is it now B&C?) to still get that "tech" effect with something as simple as charges. You're in WWII era where explosives can be detonated without long charging times and high pitched whines, but those Starfleet bombs have to give ample warning of your impending doom before they go off, whereas a WWII bomb would simply explode without giving the Germans time to look at each other and ponder what that noise is.

And it isn't as if they needed super special explosives for the job either. They demonstrated quite clearly that a shuttlepod could be damaged by flak, so explosives of the time set inside the pod would do just as well.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-10-09 12:00pm

JME2 wrote:If this episode is suppoused to represent what we've been assured season 4 will be, I am not impressed and I find myself once again wondering why fans bothered to save ENT, P.O.S. that it has become...

What exactly did you find fault with? You may not have liked the whole temporal coldware thing, but at least they are trying to tie up the loose ends of the Suliban et al. Ovcerall, there wasn't anything "stupid" about this episode as people were concerned with at the end of last season.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-10-09 12:14pm

CaptJodan wrote:What I don't understand is how Danials basically said that stopping "him" in this time would put everything back on the right track. Clearly changes have already been made to the timeline that, by killing or stopping "him" wouldn't really solve the whole WWII issue. It may well allow the allies to win the war, but history would still have record of them invading the US.

No doubt they'll have some temporal whatchamacallit fix it all, probably when they destroy the conduit.

It likely involves a temporal paradox issue. I was wondering a bit at that myself, but perhaps once he is stopped here, then perhaps the temporal agents from Daniel's time can repair the rest of the damage.

And why did Enterprise pick up a Churchill speech? Are they stating that Britain is STILL fighting? Are they honestly suggesting that Hitler bypassed Britain to hit the US? Or is this supposed to be Churchill stuck in some bunker somewhere giving this speech? There was no mention of them fighting, but it strikes me as odd that he would still be around chatting about resistance at this time. Especially with all the help from these aliens, that they can't seem to find him.

Ah, but I don't think the aliens have given nearly as much assistance as you think. Clearly, they don't have any ships capable of attacking Enterprise. I think the assistance they provided was more intellectual than physical. Remember, that the trip they took to the past was one way, and while they may have brought some things with them it doesn't appear they were able to bring a large amount of war material. Therefore while they could offer key intellegince, and limited assistance with weapons development, they would hardly have the capability of being omniscient and invincible.

Finally, on the point of Churchill calling for resistance... If you know your WWII history, you know that De Gaulle of France broadcast messages calling for resistance after the French government had capitualated. I find hit highly plausible given Churchill's nature, that he would do the same.

Then, of course, there's the fact that I couldn't honestly believe that Hitler would really accept these aliens into such a high position in his military. He wanted a purity of the human race and was willing to kill millions of humans to do it, yet he'd allow these aliens, whatever their motives, into high levels of his government? I can see him maybe using them, while keeping a tight leash, but not high level SS operatives.

Basically, this episode is pretty much what I was afraid of when seeing last season's final episode.

We don't know what sort of trials these aliens went through etc. They've clearly been working with the Germans for quite some time given the progression of the war. While Hitler may not have trusted them at first, everybody loves a winner. Success may have bread tolerance in this case. Or perhaps Hitler felt he could use these aliens, and dispose of them later.

All in all, feel all points are reconciliable, and if you wish to debate the matter, feel free.

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2004-10-09 01:45pm

I believe that by stopping Vosk here, they may well prevent him from ever going into the future and screwing around with time, thus preventing the Temporal Cold War from ever starting in the first place. And the problems on Earth that are occurring are because of the TCW. Stop the TCW and those events will never have happened. If this is the case, I wonder what will happen with the events of seasons 1-3 since they were based upon the TCW.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-09 01:56pm

Admiral_K wrote:
JME2 wrote:If this episode is suppoused to represent what we've been assured season 4 will be, I am not impressed and I find myself once again wondering why fans bothered to save ENT, P.O.S. that it has become...
What exactly did you find fault with? You may not have liked the whole temporal coldware thing, but at least they are trying to tie up the loose ends of the Suliban et al. Ovcerall, there wasn't anything "stupid" about this episode as people were concerned with at the end of last season.

1.) The Alien Nazis routine or Nazis in space (with the exception of the Cardassians, which is how I've always classified them) has been done to death.

2.) This is a shitty attempt to wrap up the TCW and I quote the producers from back on July 22:

Brannon Braga Tuesday revealed the Temporal Cold War will be wrapped up in the two-part season premiere, "Storm Front".

"Our intention is to resolve the Temporal Cold War once and for all," Braga told StarTrek.com at UPN's party during the Television Critics Association press tour. "It lingered for three seasons, and we would like to finish it off in grandiose fashion, and move on to new territory."

The story arc has been a part of the series since the premiere, "Broken Bow", but took somewhat of a backseat during season three, which primarily dealt with the Xindi storyline. Braga said temporal agent Daniels and Silik the Suliban will return for what will "most likely" be their farewell appearances. "It's hard to say for sure, because we're so early in the season, but our intention is to be done with it."

But that doesn't mean the shadowy Humanoid Figure, nicknamed "Future Guy" by fans, will be around for the big finish. In fact, Braga doesn't even know if we'll ever find out who he was. "We have some ideas about him — or her — or it. But we haven't settled on any one identity yet. It's still a question mark. The Temporal Cold War may resolve without Future Guy's identity being revealed."

My reaction is similar to Stravo's when this was first announced (here).

Stravo wrote:You know it DISGUSTS me to no end that these fuckers introduce a nebulous mystery villain then admit they NEVER KNEW WHO HE WAS.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-10-09 05:02pm

Wasn't it Rick Berman who wrote the end of the third season, leaving it up to Mano Coto or whatever his name is to wrap up Rick Berman's shit?

If that is true then it would seem Berman is putting Coto in a deep hole, making it harder for Coto to dig himself up.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-09 05:17pm

Dark Primus wrote:Wasn't it Rick Berman who wrote the end of the third season, leaving it up to Mano Coto or whatever his name is to wrap up Rick Berman's shit?

If that is true then it would seem Berman is putting Coto in a deep hole, making it harder for Coto to dig himself up.

Checking...

Writing credits for Zero Hour are...Rick Berman & Brannon Braga.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-10-09 06:12pm

JME2 wrote:
Dark Primus wrote:Wasn't it Rick Berman who wrote the end of the third season, leaving it up to Mano Coto or whatever his name is to wrap up Rick Berman's shit?

If that is true then it would seem Berman is putting Coto in a deep hole, making it harder for Coto to dig himself up.
Checking...

Writing credits for Zero Hour are...Rick Berman & Brannon Braga.

Of course —the usual suspects.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-10-10 08:47am

Fuck that. i gave it a chance, but they lost me with the goddamn Space Nazis. Jesus H. Christ, has the franchise sunken so low that they have to use goddamn SPACE NAZIS!!!! Can we all agree that what we're dealing with here are fucking Space Nazis? gah!

Hades · Post by **Hades** » 2004-10-10 10:27am

Overall i liked the episode. Its certinally good that they are planning to bring the TCW arche to an end. okay, it had some flaws, but what episode dosn't, its still a good show.

I'm more looking foward to the eugenics war arch though. anyone know where in the season thats placed?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-10 01:38pm

Hades wrote:Overall i liked the episode. Its certinally good that they are planning to bring the TCW arche to an end. okay, it had some flaws, but what episode dosn't, its still a good show.

I'm more looking foward to the eugenics war arch though. anyone know where in the season thats placed?

Let me check...

It starts off right after Home, which is set right after Part 2 of Storm-Front.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-10 10:06pm

And for the response of online critics, I direct you here.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-13 04:12pm

Seems like a retread of the Hirogen Voyager episode with the Holodeck, only this time it's "real" (until the time travel reset button is pressed once the next episode is over).

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-10-13 04:48pm

Damn. Looks like they found the reset button again.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-10-13 06:03pm

Wow Enterprise has already lost 25% of its viewers. Who wanna bet they believed Enterprise was cancelled?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-13 06:39pm

Dark Primus wrote:Wow Enterprise has already lost 25% of its viewers. Who wanna bet they believed Enterprise was cancelled?

They'll probably try to blame it on the presidental debates.

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