That Stupid Connie at W359!

[Crazy_Vasey]

Is the TNG epidodes guide canon? There was a blurb at the beginning that said they only had 3% of the galaxy explored in TOS or something. I can't remember the exact title of the book OR the exact quote because it's been a very long time indeed since I was a trekkie and read stuff like that.

[NecronLord]

Actually, I think the question of TOS-to-TNG ship degredation was handled "in-universe" at one point. Q accused Picard (and indirectly the Federation) of becoming complacent. And that, I think, is exactly it. Starfleet went from being the tough frontier sherrif like Pat Garrett to being a bunch of lazy self-satisfied fat old men. The Federation is going the way of the Roman Empire. No big deal.

That was until the Dominion showed up, now starfleet seems to be heading back the way they came.

You mean their gonna end up in the stone age, oh joy!

[Kamakazie Sith]

Is the TNG epidodes guide canon? There was a blurb at the beginning that said they only had 3% of the galaxy explored in TOS or something. I can't remember the exact title of the book OR the exact quote because it's been a very long time indeed since I was a trekkie and read stuff like that.

I'm pretty sure that book isn't considered canon. However, this is;

TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before"
Kozinski : "In three centuries of space travel we've charted just 11% of our galaxy. And then... we accomplish this!"

And in a later episode.

"The Dauphin"
Wesley : "This is all just beginning; we've only charted 19% of our galaxy. The rest is out there, just waiting!"

[Evil Jerk]

Actually, I think the question of TOS-to-TNG ship degredation was handled "in-universe" at one point. Q accused Picard (and indirectly the Federation) of becoming complacent. And that, I think, is exactly it. Starfleet went from being the tough frontier sherrif like Pat Garrett to being a bunch of lazy self-satisfied fat old men. The Federation is going the way of the Roman Empire. No big deal.

That was until the Dominion showed up, now starfleet seems to be heading back the way they came.

Nope, they're still complacent little communists, Picard still runs his ship like his own personal cruise liner, they still think Riker's a good commander ( ), what they used as an army was pathetic, their tactics abominable, their technology as crappy as ever.
Nope, they'll never be like TOS. Q needs to press the galactic reset button for that to happen.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Actually, I think the question of TOS-to-TNG ship degredation was handled "in-universe" at one point. Q accused Picard (and indirectly the Federation) of becoming complacent. And that, I think, is exactly it. Starfleet went from being the tough frontier sherrif like Pat Garrett to being a bunch of lazy self-satisfied fat old men. The Federation is going the way of the Roman Empire. No big deal.

That was until the Dominion showed up, now starfleet seems to be heading back the way they came.

You mean their gonna end up in the stone age, oh joy!

You know what I mean... Don't you?

[Crazy_Vasey]

Is the TNG epidodes guide canon? There was a blurb at the beginning that said they only had 3% of the galaxy explored in TOS or something. I can't remember the exact title of the book OR the exact quote because it's been a very long time indeed since I was a trekkie and read stuff like that.

I'm pretty sure that book isn't considered canon. However, this is;

TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before"
Kozinski : "In three centuries of space travel we've charted just 11% of our galaxy. And then... we accomplish this!"

And in a later episode.

"The Dauphin"
Wesley : "This is all just beginning; we've only charted 19% of our galaxy. The rest is out there, just waiting!"

Umm this may sound like a stupid thing to say but which episodes where those? I don't remember titles too well but I remember most of the episodes by what happened in em.

[NecronLord]

That was until the Dominion showed up, now starfleet seems to be heading back the way they came.

You mean their gonna end up in the stone age, oh joy!

You know what I mean... Don't you?

No, Kirks crew would not wet themselves when seeing the Jem Hadar. Hell they had a small mortar gun, so that in the seige of AR-*** they could kill the jem hadar as they come out of the cave....

[Kamakazie Sith]

You mean their gonna end up in the stone age, oh joy!

You know what I mean... Don't you?

No, Kirks crew would not wet themselves when seeing the Jem Hadar. Hell they had a small mortar gun, so that in the seige of AR-*** they could kill the jem hadar as they come out of the cave....

I said heading back I did not say that starfleet was back.

Take the Defiant for example.....a sturdy warship that can take a beating, and deliver one (In the ST universe)

[Kamakazie Sith]

Is the TNG epidodes guide canon? There was a blurb at the beginning that said they only had 3% of the galaxy explored in TOS or something. I can't remember the exact title of the book OR the exact quote because it's been a very long time indeed since I was a trekkie and read stuff like that.

I'm pretty sure that book isn't considered canon. However, this is;

TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before"
Kozinski : "In three centuries of space travel we've charted just 11% of our galaxy. And then... we accomplish this!"

And in a later episode.

"The Dauphin"
Wesley : "This is all just beginning; we've only charted 19% of our galaxy. The rest is out there, just waiting!"

Umm this may sound like a stupid thing to say but which episodes where those? I don't remember titles too well but I remember most of the episodes by what happened in em.

TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before"
http://www.startrek.com/library/tng_epi ... _68318.asp


TNG "The Dauphin"
http://www.startrek.com/library/tng_epi ... _68378.asp

[Evil Jerk]

You know what I mean... Don't you?

No, Kirks crew would not wet themselves when seeing the Jem Hadar. Hell they had a small mortar gun, so that in the seige of AR-*** they could kill the jem hadar as they come out of the cave....

I said heading back I did not say that starfleet was back.

Take the Defiant for example.....a sturdy warship that can take a beating, and deliver one (In the ST universe)

Unfortunatley it's just a gunboat, who's main successes just happen to be against other gunboats (those Jem'Hadar beetle ships), a true TOS mindset would've probably built something far better than that.

[NecronLord]

You know what I mean... Don't you?

No, Kirks crew would not wet themselves when seeing the Jem Hadar. Hell they had a small mortar gun, so that in the seige of AR-*** they could kill the jem hadar as they come out of the cave....

I said heading back I did not say that starfleet was back.

Take the Defiant for example.....a sturdy warship that can take a beating, and deliver one (In the ST universe)

Quite, am I the only one that thinks the admirals talking about disbanding starfleet in ST:VI were telling the truth, and what we see after that is the civillian wing?

[Crazy_Vasey]

I'm pretty sure that book isn't considered canon. However, this is;

TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before"
Kozinski : "In three centuries of space travel we've charted just 11% of our galaxy. And then... we accomplish this!"

And in a later episode.

"The Dauphin"
Wesley : "This is all just beginning; we've only charted 19% of our galaxy. The rest is out there, just waiting!"

Umm this may sound like a stupid thing to say but which episodes where those? I don't remember titles too well but I remember most of the episodes by what happened in em.

TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before"
http://www.startrek.com/library/tng_epi ... _68318.asp


TNG "The Dauphin"
http://www.startrek.com/library/tng_epi ... _68378.asp

Sounds like two incredibly boring TNG episodes, nothing new there I guess. Saw the "Where No One Has Gone Before" before I think, is that the one where Wesley gets powers or something?

[Kamakazie Sith]

Unfortunatley it's just a gunboat, who's main successes just happen to be against other gunboats (those Jem'Hadar beetle ships), a true TOS mindset would've probably built something far better than that.

Geez tough crowd, and I know they aren't at "TOS status" but it seems that they are heading that direction.

[Knife]

I agree with Evil Jerk, while in the ST universe the Defient is a step forward it is a gunboat or attackship or something of the sort. In the TOS when they needed something better they came up with Miranda's, Excelcior's, and the like not small tiny warships but purpose built warships that could serve as ships of the line not as escort.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Quite, am I the only one that thinks the admirals talking about disbanding starfleet in ST:VI were telling the truth, and what we see after that is the civillian wing?

No, many have thought that. I also happen to agree with that belief.

[Evil Jerk]

Unfortunatley it's just a gunboat, who's main successes just happen to be against other gunboats (those Jem'Hadar beetle ships), a true TOS mindset would've probably built something far better than that.

Geez tough crowd, and I know they aren't at "TOS status" but it seems that they are heading that direction.

Well, maybe. But now with the war over and all they seem to be heading back to their comfy little communist, inpractical world.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Sounds like two incredibly boring TNG episodes, nothing new there I guess. Saw the "Where No One Has Gone Before" before I think, is that the one where Wesley gets powers or something?

Yes, they were IMO. And yes Wesley appears to have the same talents as the traveler. Which I hate the concept of the traveler, and that Wesley has the same gift.

[Evil Jerk]

Sounds like two incredibly boring TNG episodes, nothing new there I guess. Saw the "Where No One Has Gone Before" before I think, is that the one where Wesley gets powers or something?

Yes, they were IMO. And yes Wesley appears to have the same talents as the traveler. Which I hate the concept of the traveler, and that Wesley has the same gift.

That wasn't specifically the one where Wesley had powers, I think, but it was the one where the Traveller told Picard that Wesley was "special" and "a prodigy" and other such crap.
It was also the one where Picard was prompted to give that kid a position on the bridge he didn't deserve. Because a cosmic fruit told him so.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Well, maybe. But now with the war over and all they seem to be heading back to their comfy little communist, inpractical world.

Jealous?

And the UFP isn't communist. Just because they don't use money does not automatically make them communist. I'd says it's a combination.

Tell me what episode have you seen showing UFP post Dominion War?

[Alyeska]

Wait until they bring out claims of defeating the Death Star in one shot, or of being able to fire five million shots a second.


As for the Nacelle/Speed thing..

Given that the Defiant can outrun everything else, the size and number of nacelles isn't the determiner of speed. But I think it does determine how long you can maintain it. Four Nacelles would either spread the load out, or have two maintaining the field while the other two 'rest'.

And the one Nacelle thing? Possibly a hotrod or rebuilt Galaxy, designed for speed 'bursts'. Probably dispatched from Earth.

The Defiant can not outrun everything else. Infact, it has had a variety of warp engine problems that have LIMITED its speed. It has to sacrafice shield and weapon power to increase its warp speed, and it takes time to bring those systems back before it can fight again. The warp core itself is considered massively powerful for its size, but its speeds are not that great.