Fed Communism (split from "Stupid Connie")

[TheDarkling]

Actually in creator's intention I was speaking about GR, as for what alot of people here think, I wont be swayed by th mob especially when large portions of the mob are so deluded that they think the empire isnt evil.

Give me some negative claims we have things like none rights or property which have been shown to be false, no private transport which has also been shown to be false, a state owned news system which doesnt automatically lead to a ba dsystem (for all we nkow the Fed news agency simply cllects info from reporters and displays it thus precluding bias or censorship Kinda like how alot of news services use Rueters as their sources on certain events because they dont have anyone in the region).

While the Feds have done wrong alot of what Picvard spouts out about is true, as for the merrits of living in Feds society - thats upto the individual but I wouldnt mind it.

[Ted C]

Ok then incurable diseases on the table please.

Iverson's Disease: incurable - "Too Short A Season"
Varnay's disease: incurable - "The Schizoid Man"
Rushton Infection: apparently incurable, since it killed a Federation citizen - "The Bonding"
the Cor Caroli Five plague: treatable, but dangerous enough to require a secret mission to contain it - "Allegiance"
Correllium Fever: no treatment yet, the Enterprise was delivering tissues samples with which to try to research a cure- "Hollow Pursuits"
Irumodic Syndrome: incurable - "All Good Things"

This list only includes examples that I could easily find in Mike's database; DS9 and Voyager may provide more.

If the population is almost 100% timid you are stuck between a rock and a hard place, also it only takes the head of the network, or foreign affairs, even the guy in charge of news for that sector to reel the reporters from going there.

And what makes you think there is no variation in courage in the general population of the Federation?

So the answer to my question was no then .
How many of those were local news reporting setups instead of major news networks?

I wish you would use quotes. I'm not sure what question you refer to.

Could you tell me the type of super market they are building in my local town?
Could you tell me what sort of business license has been revoked due to this type business over running a particular street?
Both of these stories appear in my local newspaper but they arent available to the world at large (the Feds have lower interconectivity compared to us both due to the time delays involved and the sheer weight of info that must be sifted).

I bet your local newspaper has articles on events in Moscow, Israel, and Ivory Coast, though.

Ah but everyone leaving a planet would have to file a flight plan (we know this for sure)

Yeah. I'm sure Dr. Soong filed a flight plan when he bugged out of Omicron Theta. When have we ever heard anyone in Star Trek file a flight plan. You're making things up.

so when they arrive at earth Customs and Imigration will tag them as possible carries and put them through decon.

Maybe. On the other hand, they might just land on the surface of some other colony and spread the plague around. Even Earth frequently has no ships in the vicinity that could intercept refugees seeking to land.

Normal disease spots maybe publised but this one could easily have be odd.

Who cares whether this plague outbreak is unusual. The point is that the Federation was able to keep it a secret at least long enough to divert the Enterprise there long enough to eliminate it. Given typical travel times for Federation starships, that could easily have been weeks. A subspace signal can get all the way across the Federation in a couple of weeks.

We just dont know enough about why the plague was declared secret, for how long it was secret or how big of a news story it would have been.

I am simply stating that covering up this plague cant be infered as an evil act and may have had a very good reason behind it - this also doesnt show censorhip beyond what exists in many western couintries today.

I am not claiming that the Federation kept the plague secret for immoral reasons; I am claiming that they kept the plague secret successfully.

As for the Feds being communist - Im not sure but I wuold peg Earth as being so, this however does mean the Feds are evil many people use faulty views of communism to infer communism = evil but as Wong has stated the real indication is an investment market apart from that the governing system could vary greatly and still be communist.

As I said before, I do not claim the Federation is evil. I do claim that it is communist. It's possible to have a benevolent communist state just as it is possible to have a benevolent dictator. The problem is that should the government ever go bad, they already have the tools of oppression at their fingertips.

[Typhonis 1]

21 seasons footage of TNG and not one MENTION of a Federation Election

[Tsyroc]

21 seasons footage of TNG and not one MENTION of a Federation Election

I'm pretty sure they did have a change in the presidency though. I'd have to double check to see if that happened in TNG or later during DS9.

I believe that the president is elected from the group of beings acting as representatives to the Federation (I don't recall it's proper name).

[TheDarkling]

JARESH-INYO
I never sought this job. I was
content to simply represent my
people on the Federation Council.
When they asked me to submit my
name for election, I almost said
no. Today I wish I had.

You sure elections have never been mentioned?

Ted C: Im in a rush now so I will respond latter but for now, the Hansens filled a flight plan however because they said they deviated from it - please dont accuse me of lying.

[Ted C]

Ted C: Im in a rush now so I will respond latter but for now, the Hansens filled a flight plan however because they said they deviated from it - please dont accuse me of lying.

You said everyone leaving a planet would have to file a flight plan. You were evidently mistaken. I don't any cases of ships filing flight plans to leave a planet. I can actually see why the Hansons would need to file a flight plan: they were sniffing around the Neutral Zone, and Starfleet wouldn't want them to start an incident.

[TheDarkling]

We also have several examples of ships leaving DS9 filing flight p[lans aswell but I guess thats also some weird odd event instead of it being standard - why you ask? I dont know I have no evidence proving there arent fligths plans (kinda hard to do) I just dont want there to be flight plans so I will stick my fingers in my ears and yell real loud.

To recap on the flight plan issue.
The Hansens filed a flight plan.
Ships leaving DS9 file flight plans.
Earth has an orbital control to deal with incoming traffic and a docking berth for those ships to "park" in (they also had ships on hand to do towing).

When I said disease I shuold have been more specific and stated communicable (as in it isnt simply a condition that a person cant catch from other person) since I person with cancer doesnt need to be put in quarantine and the issue of quarantine was what we were discussing.

This leaves us with Rushton infection (which my be environmental specific - a fungus of some kind etc, either way it may not be communicable - no way to be sure)
Correllium fever - A disease which we were told was very tricky ( and all the proper precautions were takken on said planet).
I would also point of that the strain of the fever that was causing problem wasnt natural but man made.

I never said there isnt a variation in courage such an assertion would be stupid but in general the people of the Federation are alot less gung ho.

My very local newspaper is just about local events in the town, the newpaper for the area has very big world events (usually towards the back somewhere) and my national newspaper has world events.

Im sure the good doctor didnt but then again he didnt try to re enter a civilised systems he simply disapeared off on his own.

They were enable to keep an unknown level of plague on an unknown colony/outpost/space station for unknown reasons for an unknown length of time - yes you have got me there with this very detailed example.

Yes the Feds may be communist but in truth communism is more defined by economics then the government setup - you can have a capitolist democracy or dictatorship.

The Feds show all the signs of being a democracy/republic with socialist/communist leanings in the economic setup (of earth and possibly the entire Federation).