Which is the worst Star Trek Movie??

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-23 07:40pm

ST:V sucking and ST:I sucking illustrate two different approaches to getting a bad movie.

In the first case you pair great actors with good chemistry up with a horrible plot and you end up with some wodnerful memories interspresed with the utter tedium of a bad plot.

In the latter case you take a weak attempt at moralizing along with a cast who doesn't have all that much chemistry to begin with and then you try to change the chemistry to fit the weak story. With Insurrection the plot could have done so much more if it simply hadn't attempted to make it the moral dilemna it never could be (mostly because the Bak'u were just too damn self-righteous).

In the end ST:I just had a weaker plot that attemtped to shoehorn what little chemistry was there into a completely new corner...that just doesn't work and as a result the characters and the whole movie failed.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-23 08:33pm

Don't you just want to drop by and carpet bomb the Baku?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-23 08:51pm

Tsyroc wrote:Don't you just want to drop by and carpet bomb the Baku?

Too quick. I want 'em to linger.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-10-24 01:17am

Well, that's what Holodecks are for. I just realized that Isolder74 has Hapan Battle Dragons in his sig. I feel so stupid now.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2002-10-24 05:03am

Undiscovered Country was worse.

No way, Undiscovered Country ruled.

Laughing Mechanicus · Post by **Laughing Mechanicus** » 2002-10-24 05:42am

ST:I has to be the worst of the 2, TFN does have some redeeming quotes/scenes in it at least but ST:I is brain dead. Whats more infuriating is Admiral Doughety is right about moving the Baku, it could save millions of lives across the entire federation. But no, Picard is intent that one group of 600 people who were never ment to be immortal gets to be, while the rest of the alpha quadrant gets to rot and die, just so they don't inconvenience the Baku. They aren't even moving the Baku out of a hatred for them either (the federation at least) they're actually moving them to save their lives, going out of their way to relocate them.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-24 09:13am

Frank Hipper wrote:Insurection sucked, yes. Final Frontier was chock full of painfull suckiness, though. Undiscovered Country was worse.

Are u brain dead? The undiscovered country was THE best ever trek movie.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-24 05:25pm

And with Insurrection I don't think that my intelligence has been insulted that badly. But I did see Batman and Robin. UGH!!

While Insurrection was the worst and most insulting ST movie B&R easily takes the cake.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-24 05:27pm

I couldn't stand the hastily(and Poorly) written happy ending in Insurrection, at least with most of the other Trek Movies it was either a not so happy ending or the happy end perfectly fit the movie. (i.e. ST:III)

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2002-10-26 12:01am

where did you get the dancing spider man..

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-26 12:19am

dancing spiderman make it stop make it stop ahhhhhh!!!!!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-26 12:51am

Yeah that dancing spiderman is really PISSING me off man ...

it just looks so PONCY

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-10-26 01:13am

Without doubt, Insurrection is the worst Star Trek movie ever made —a feat which I didn't consider possible after Worst Contact. A movie which can only wish it were as coherent as The Final Frontier. STI was hopelessly confused as to what point it was trying to make, was slapped together in a way that none of its plot elements came together in any meaningful way, and in the end it was a terminally idiotic movie. And after Picard and Worf's Gilbert-and-Sullivan singalong with Data, I have a much better appreciation for the campfire singalong with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.

To be certain, The Final Frontier had problems. It needed better editing and some of the dialogue was hokey. The comedy scenes fall flat. But that movie's plot elements meshed together quite well and its ideas are the far superior. TFF actually quite aggressively attacks the entire philosophical and moral underpinnings of organised religion by stating outright that religious movements are most often based upon the ego-projection of the cult leader. The moment when "God" appears to Sybok wearing his own form and leering at him "What's the matter? Don't you like my face? I could have chosen among so many others but I decided that this one suited you best" is devestating on that point. It also states that faith is best founded not upon an idealised icon or dogma, but rather in recognising and acting upon the fundamental right and wrong of the world —such as when Kirk orders a photorp strike upon his own position and when Spock prevails upon Korrd to reassert his authority as a Klingon general in order to save the lives of both the Enterprise and Klingon crews.

Insurrection, by contrast, takes no chances. It exhibits no intellectual or moral courage beyond that of the good guys defending the weak, but that's a thing which any ethical being should be capable of. It's what one should do in the same manner as knowing enough not to run over old ladies in the street. It lays out the sides in simple black/white good/evil dualities and never goes beyond that point —especially after the movie sinks into the fog of its own confusion as to what it is actually trying to be about as a movie. It's a movie which gets lost in itself by the end of the first reel. The blurry opening-title sequence, quite unintentionally, was the movie's most honest statement about itself. Not a single theme in Insurrection ever comes into focus.

So, while TFF had its problems (half of which were the result of depredations caused by the 1987 Writers' strike and associated strikes in support of WGAw), it frankly beats the crap out of Insurrection as a movie any day of the week.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2002-10-26 01:56am

i like the dancing spiderman

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2002-10-26 06:05am

This poll neglects the sacrilege known as Star Trek Generations, wherein the very icon of Star Trek died a meaningless and contrived death. No blaze of glory, no heroic sacrifice -- a mere fizzle. Certainly, reality is seldom anything but anticlimactic, but Star Trek is fiction: It is entitled to be dramatic from time to time.

Publius

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-27 02:24pm

Actually yes, when I think "which is the worst Star Trek movie" I'm actually torn between Generations and Insurrection. In the case of Insurrection, I haven't watched it complete but I think the parts I watched sucked, specially after reading the comments. About Generations, I (unfortunately) watched it on the big screen, and even numerous times on cable, and it sucks too. I think ST5 is at least better than these two.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-28 04:30pm

Patrick Degan wrote:Without doubt, Insurrection is the worst Star Trek movie ever made —a feat which I didn't consider possible after Worst Contact. A movie which can only wish it were as coherent as The Final Frontier. STI was hopelessly confused as to what point it was trying to make, was slapped together in a way that none of its plot elements came together in any meaningful way, and in the end it was a terminally idiotic movie. And after Picard and Worf's Gilbert-and-Sullivan singalong with Data, I have a much better appreciation for the campfire singalong with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.

To be certain, The Final Frontier had problems. It needed better editing and some of the dialogue was hokey. The comedy scenes fall flat. But that movie's plot elements meshed together quite well and its ideas are the far superior. TFF actually quite aggressively attacks the entire philosophical and moral underpinnings of organised religion by stating outright that religious movements are most often based upon the ego-projection of the cult leader. The moment when "God" appears to Sybok wearing his own form and leering at him "What's the matter? Don't you like my face? I could have chosen among so many others but I decided that this one suited you best" is devestating on that point. It also states that faith is best founded not upon an idealised icon or dogma, but rather in recognising and acting upon the fundamental right and wrong of the world —such as when Kirk orders a photorp strike upon his own position and when Spock prevails upon Korrd to reassert his authority as a Klingon general in order to save the lives of both the Enterprise and Klingon crews.

Insurrection, by contrast, takes no chances. It exhibits no intellectual or moral courage beyond that of the good guys defending the weak, but that's a thing which any ethical being should be capable of. It's what one should do in the same manner as knowing enough not to run over old ladies in the street. It lays out the sides in simple black/white good/evil dualities and never goes beyond that point —especially after the movie sinks into the fog of its own confusion as to what it is actually trying to be about as a movie. It's a movie which gets lost in itself by the end of the first reel. The blurry opening-title sequence, quite unintentionally, was the movie's most honest statement about itself. Not a single theme in Insurrection ever comes into focus.

So, while TFF had its problems (half of which were the result of depredations caused by the 1987 Writers' strike and associated strikes in support of WGAw), it frankly beats the crap out of Insurrection as a movie any day of the week.

Damn, you saw more meaning in TFF than I did! and I liked that movie, I just disliked ceetain parts. But I agree with you totally.

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