Transporter Reliability Myths

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-19 02:30pm

Well its possible that they couldnt generate a powerful enough subspace field but I doubt it since they can create a subspace field (the meatphasic shield) and that was described as being powerful.

However so far we have - Shields block sensors (and possible comms but Im not sure on this).
Subspace fields can block sensors (however the E-D may not have be able to make them but the metaphasic shield and static warp shell would indicate otherwise.).
Comms blocking is know to te Federation (again its possible the E-D cant replicate this however not having this ability on all ships (Especially given the retrofitable nature of starfleet vessels) would be a serious oversight.

The follownig is an unrelated aside.
I do think its interesting though that shields need to be aligned with sensors as I have proven but that the sensor can penetrate enemy shields as Sir Nitram says - hmm this is some what odd im not sure how to explain it prehaps sensors are diminished but the changing freq windows (of both ships) overlap every so often and sensors scan become available (a stretch but all I have got for now).

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-19 02:38pm

Master of Ossus:
First Woohoo Im a Jedi Knight.
Now moving along the book giving the reference was the empire strikes back novel, it is not bad clear if the ISD simply went critical due to the damage or went out of control and crashed into other asteroids.

Also as you say we dont see another ship without a bridge section implying the entire ship was destroyed.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-19 03:09pm

TheDarkling wrote:Master of Ossus:
First Woohoo Im a Jedi Knight.
Now moving along the book giving the reference was the empire strikes back novel, it is not bad clear if the ISD simply went critical due to the damage or went out of control and crashed into other asteroids.

Also as you say we dont see another ship without a bridge section implying the entire ship was destroyed.

Congratulations! I don't remember saying anything about not seeing a ship without the bridge, but I WILL re-read the book sometime today. Thanks, Darkling.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-19 03:19pm

TheDarkling wrote:I do think its interesting though that shields need to be aligned with sensors as I have proven but that the sensor can penetrate enemy shields as Sir Nitram says - hmm this is some what odd im not sure how to explain it prehaps sensors are diminished but the changing freq windows (of both ships) overlap every so often and sensors scan become available (a stretch but all I have got for now).

Maybe they don't penetrate enemy ships shields? On DS9 and the ED, whenever someone goes missing they always ask the computer to locate the person and then the computer tells them that they are no longer aboard the ship/station (even when the person is well within the ship's/station's sensor range). Maybe not all of their sensors can get through other ship's shields, and so the picture that sensors give of the other ship is incomplete. On the other hand, they are frequently able to tell how many people are onboard alien ships, so I really don't understand this. At the very least, they can almost always tell what another ship's status is, just by scanning it. That does appear to be a contradiction, but I'm sure it can be worked out without any problems.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 03:41pm

Congrads on the Knighthood it don't mean much but it looks good

And to the acutal Post
Full Shields(IE ALL shields running at full power) Blocks any an all Long Range Communcations through the Shields, This incudes subspace, hyperwave and one more whos name I forget, However SHORT Range(Light mintue I belive is the range-unsure of this) are not affected by the shields and ISDs and many Captial Ships can and do use Repeator, be it escort craft, a Drone or anything else, It is Cannon that Planets uses these due to Planatary Shields and for Ships its not mentioned but the fact they do occsionaly get messages indicats there IS some sort of system or method out there that lets them do this
A drone/Repeter setup would be the easist and cheapst way of doing this but then agian thats Sepculation, pure and simple

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-19 05:34pm

SirNitram wrote:More likely, it revolves around their weaponry. If there's a specific frequency 'hole' in their shields, their weaponry, matching the frequency and inverting the phase angle, will pass through it. This would fit the fact Trek ships can't mimic Wars ships in opening shield holes for weapons fire to emerge.

That's what happened to the Enterprise against the BOP in Generations. As an aside, that sequence is proof of the shittiness of ST targeting. The Enterprise wasn't even maneuvering, and the BOP still missed multiple times.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-19 05:40pm

It seems to be that the frequency allows sensors, comms (possibly) and weapons to be used.

However the sensor freq rotates as indicated by the Ref from The Wounded.

Generations indicates the weapon freq window doesnt rotate which makes sense since the torps cant rotate freq automatically and you wouldnt want the weapons freq window to have changed between the time hat the torp leaves the tube and the time it reaches the shield.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-19 05:44pm

Yeah. That would suck, unless you're supposed to have been on the business end of the torp.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-19 05:46pm

Transportser are always having some problem. they ture adults into kids, they divide people into evil and good halves, the spirit you into parrallel universes, and they disintigrate people causing a painful death. such a system so wrought with problems it surprises me that it isn't shut down completely for safety reasons

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-19 05:51pm

Transporters arent the worst Trek tech I mean they use it multiple times and nothing goes wrong - the holodeck on the other hand has about a 95% chance of going crazy.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-19 05:53pm

TheDarkling wrote:Transporters arent the worst Trek tech I mean they use it multiple times and nothing goes wrong - the holodeck on the other hand has about a 95% chance of going crazy.

good point the Holodeck is more dangerous

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 06:22pm

I total forgot about the Holo-Deck

Did you ever see the Epsiode where the Holo-Deck went Crazy and Hitler came to life and nearly Took over the ship?

Be glad I'm liying but a similar thing happened where Moritey the Villian of Sherlock and Homes Books DID come to life and try and take over the ship

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-19 06:25pm

Mr Bean: That happened twoce didnt it?
The first time if did some kidnapping and managed to get a little control of the ship and the second time he got full control.

We also have the Holodeck full of Datas (during which of course the safeties failed.)

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-19 06:28pm

TheDarkling wrote:Mr Bean: That happened twoce didnt it?
The first time if did some kidnapping and managed to get a little control of the ship and the second time he got full control.

We also have the Holodeck full of Datas (during which of course the safeties failed.)

and in that episode worf makes a shield of some kind with his communicator. talk about ludicrise

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-19 06:33pm

Why would they even have a holodeck if the damn thing breaks down and nearly kills someone every week? Is it really worth the entertainment value? I wonder what the holodeck mortality rates are around the Federation. Especially since the only people who ever seem to use it are bridge officers....

On the other hand, I do enjoy Data's games with Einstein and Hawking. "Wrong, again, Albert. Hehehe....

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-19 06:35pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Why would they even have a holodeck if the damn thing breaks down and nearly kills someone every week? Is it really worth the entertainment value? I wonder what the holodeck mortality rates are around the Federation. Especially since the only people who ever seem to use it are bridge officers....

On the other hand, I do enjoy Data's games with Einstein and Hawking. "Wrong, again, Albert. Hehehe....

Newton too don't forget him

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 07:07pm

I'd imagin that would be one of the aplies of the Holo-Deck

Acutal they had that on the Drew Carry Show funny as hell when he's having a Near-Death Experance he winds up playing Trival Presuit with Linlcon, and Washington and Linclon is kicking ass when suddly drew laughs and said this
Drew- HA! You old bastard I have you now, Your Question is.... Who... Killed.... YOU
Linlcon-What? I was killed
Drew- Yep gramps not only that but you where assanated
Linlcon- What thats unfair! Hey you know whated killed you but I'm not dead yet, How could I know that? I might as well ask you what they are going to do for your funeral
Drew- Bury me like I asked
Washington-Ha yeah right like thats gonna happen
Drew-What? I tell them at least once a week what I want them to do with me
Linclon-Ha yea right like they'd remeber, Here look(Guestures behind him wall turns transparent and we see Drew Liying on hosptail bed in coma)
Drew-Aww look all my friends
(Outside Drews mind)
Oswald-So do you remeber, if God Forbid Drew never comes out of his Coma
Lewis-Of course we do right Kate
Kate- Umm yeah sure why don't you tell everyone what it was Lewis
Lewis-No I think You better tell them all Kate
Kate- Why me, when Oswald could tell us
Lewis-Yes Owsawld speak up(Turns) what did Drew want to happen when he died
Oswald- Umm I think he said stuff him
Kate-Stuff him? Are you serious
Lewis-That sounds like Drew...

I could go on its a good show

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-07-19 08:23pm

I thought that show got canned for the '02 and '03 season.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-19 09:12pm

I think it did the writers moved on to Whos Line is it anyway