Doesn't this throw off our current calcs?

[Ender]

I was flipping through some of my old books last night and I noticed something. AOTC:ICS lists the shielding for a core ship at 143 TT. Most impressive, it would take a few Acclamators to kill that, and as the cores attach to differet ships, gives you a minimum shielding for TF warships.

THe problem is that I then looked at TPM ICS, and each battleship has three reactors. Assuming that each has the same power and that, as is the case with the core ship, 1/5th of the overall power is diverted to shields, that means a TFB has 430 TT of shielding. This means an ISD mark 1 couldn't kill the thing. So doesn't that screw with the calc values? I mean, since cloewars era ships had to be able to kill them, and Imperial era ships are supposely far stronger then Clone Wars ships, shouldn't an ISD be able to kill those buggers with ease?

[Ender]

Ishoul probably add I am assuming single volley destruction, and thus probably making a ountain out of a molehill since the pissy weapons ona TFB couldn't do much, but still, 430 teratons?

[Crayz9000]

THe problem is that I then looked at TPM ICS, and each battleship has three reactors. Assuming that each has the same power and that, as is the case with the core ship, 1/5th of the overall power is diverted to shields, that means a TFB has 430 TT of shielding. This means an ISD mark 1 couldn't kill the thing. So doesn't that screw with the calc values? I mean, since cloewars era ships had to be able to kill them, and Imperial era ships are supposely far stronger then Clone Wars ships, shouldn't an ISD be able to kill those buggers with ease?

In a few volleys, I would suppose. Star Wars ships aren't supposed to be one-shot-one-kill like Star Trek; the only exception is when you have the DS2 or an Eclipse firing at you

[Mr Bean]

Yes the avarage ISD VS ISD fight is clocked at 5-15 Broadsides these are NOT one-shot ships(Escpilly with the Light-mintue ranges)

[Mad]

The "problem" can be summed up with two words: wrong units. The ICS-2 shielding is rated in watts. That means that it can withstand 143 TT per second. However, turbolasers impact in less than 1 second, so a 200 GT turbolaser bolt has a wattage that will translate into something significantly larger than 200 GT per second.

Now, we also don't know the exact specifics of what goes on when the threshold is breached, though we can make educated guesses based on what we do know. Regardless, we don't know the exact duration of impact for the 200 GT turbolasers, and we can't just convert by assuming a 1 second impact (as you effectively did, though you may not have realized it).

[nightmare]

The "problem" can be summed up with two words: wrong units. The ICS-2 shielding is rated in watts. That means that it can withstand 143 TT per second. However, turbolasers impact in less than 1 second, so a 200 GT turbolaser bolt has a wattage that will translate into something significantly larger than 200 GT per second.

Now, we also don't know the exact specifics of what goes on when the threshold is breached, though we can make educated guesses based on what we do know. Regardless, we don't know the exact duration of impact for the 200 GT turbolasers, and we can't just convert by assuming a 1 second impact (as you effectively did, though you may not have realized it).

I haven't bothered to remember the specifics, since I don't do vs. The shield rating isn't an impact threshold, it's a disspation rate. I think I'll leave it to HDS to explain this one. Cya..

[Mad]

I haven't bothered to remember the specifics, since I don't do vs. The shield rating isn't an impact threshold, it's a disspation rate. I think I'll leave it to HDS to explain this one. Cya..

No need, I've already seen the theory. I don't know how much it's developed since I've seen it, but it seemed likely, though the exact effects when the threshold is breached weren't defined. That the generators heat up and the shields lose effectiveness aren't quite specific enough to be considered "exact." That's why I said we don't know the specifics. Plus I was being vague since such detail wasn't required (because then that'd start a debate about those specifics, which aren't required to answer the original question).

[Illuminatus Primus]

Sourcebooks say that the shields collapse when the shield generator shunts off the power to the shield projectors because otherwise the "bleed through" excess power would blow the generator inside the ship.

[nightmare]

All right, nothing to add to that statement. I do it anyway out of common courtesy If I recall correctly, it's a little bit more than just a theory though. Something about Dr. Saxton explaining the use of watts for the number.

[greenmm]

I was flipping through some of my old books last night and I noticed something. AOTC:ICS lists the shielding for a core ship at 143 TT. Most impressive, it would take a few Acclamators to kill that, and as the cores attach to differet ships, gives you a minimum shielding for TF warships.

THe problem is that I then looked at TPM ICS, and each battleship has three reactors. Assuming that each has the same power and that, as is the case with the core ship, 1/5th of the overall power is diverted to shields, that means a TFB has 430 TT of shielding. This means an ISD mark 1 couldn't kill the thing. So doesn't that screw with the calc values? I mean, since cloewars era ships had to be able to kill them, and Imperial era ships are supposely far stronger then Clone Wars ships, shouldn't an ISD be able to kill those buggers with ease?

Actually, if the shields are listed as having 143 TW of power, and 1/5 of the total power goes to the shields, that means that each reactor puts out about 238 TW of power. You already have shield power, but not reactor power.

Still, that does seem a bit overpowered, as it would imply that you would 715 of the 200 GT turbolaser shots per second to overload the shields. I guess the question is, how does the AOTC:ICS fit in to the canon evidence we see?

[Cpt_Frank]

Still, that does seem a bit overpowered, as it would imply that you would 715 of the 200 GT turbolaser shots per second to overload the shields. I guess the question is, how does the AOTC:ICS fit in to the canon evidence we see?

1. It does not seem overpowered if you recognize that the acclamator's 200gt canons are only mediums. An ISD could bring down an Acclamator's shields fairly quick.
And the ICS numbers just fit beautifully in what we see in TESB regarding asteroid vapourisation.

[Mr Bean]

Yes keep that in mind fokes the Accilmators are Troop Transports not Anti-Cap ships... umm ships, the HTLs and VHTLS are nearly twice to three times the size of the observered 200GT weaponry on the ISDs

[Master of Ossus]

How do you people convert so easily between watts and tons? One is a measure of power. The other is a measure of energy. Your calculations are flawed.

Secondly, 1/5 of the POWER is not diverted to the shields. Shields can deflect/absorb more energy than is put into them. That is the whole point of having shields. Note that in the ICS, some of the ships can withstand more power than their reactors can produce. The TF Battleship is actually a heavily modified transport, and so military grade ships will almost certainly have MUCH greater proportions of their total reactor output dedicated to the shields and weapons than the TF Battleship, or the Acclamator does.

Finally, an ISD is almost certainly orders of magnitude more powerful than an Acclamator. I have no idea how you can claim that an ISD cannot destroy a TF Battleship just because an Acclamator would have difficulty doing so.

[omegaLancer]

The problem what does peak shielding mean. is it a one time value, due to the storage of excess power, during times when the the total power output of the reactor is not needed. Is it the abilitly of the shield to continuely absorb damage ( if this is the case would not it be listed in watts?)..

Most of EU novels and the movies, make it seem that Shield can be worn down and that the rate of refreshing the shields during combat is not as rapid as the output of energy of weapons systems of opposing ships.

In the case of TL the main output of the beam power is due to the store energy of blaster gas ( Tibannna? ) harvested from corona of star, or the detonation of Warheads. ICS also states that TL also draw on stored power banks..

We also have references of ship shifting power to shields, to strengthen them, diverting them from other ship systems like drives and life support..

[Ender]

Finally, an ISD is almost certainly orders of magnitude more powerful than an Acclamator. I have no idea how you can claim that an ISD cannot destroy a TF Battleship just because an Acclamator would have difficulty doing so.

I claim that because I added up the total from a full volley from an ISDs guns, not because I was stupid enough to leap the the conclusions you indicate I did

[Master of Ossus]

Finally, an ISD is almost certainly orders of magnitude more powerful than an Acclamator. I have no idea how you can claim that an ISD cannot destroy a TF Battleship just because an Acclamator would have difficulty doing so.

I claim that because I added up the total from a full volley from an ISDs guns, not because I was stupid enough to leap the the conclusions you indicate I did

Okay, so what firepower estimate did you use for the ISD, where did you get it, and why did you feel it was reasonable enough to add?